ARAFAT
Arafat should not be encluded in any peace talks... it's obviously the man cannot stop the killing and the suicide bombers... so there is no need to talk to him. He says he can stop it... but he can't. If he can, then he should have already, and now is responsible for all the deaths that have occurred by the bombers. He also let one man out before his sentence was up, who ended up blowing to bits a Passover ceremony. No, enough it enough... he should not be held as the Palestine representative any more. Either he can stop the bombings and won't, or he can't stop them. He is of no use to the peace plan.
20-30% of palestinians are christians- learn to recognise the Christian names so you can count the number of Christian martyrs. Not all the children being shot are Muslim.
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Arafat had won numerous concessions from the Israelis in the 2000 peace conference negotiated by Clinton. That included getting back the land from the 6 day war. But Arafat refused to sign it. Why?
Because he is a terrorist, and peace is not his goal.
His goal is to kill every Israeli, and to eliminate the Jewish race from the face of the Earth.
There will not be peace in the Middle East until Jesus returns.
Land for peace
thankyou for raising this since this always puzzled me as well. This is until i read an article in the Guardian paper recently which blew away the myth of this offer. It was an offer that never was. Israel retained most if notall its settlements. palestinians in exchange for this prime land were granted desert as compensation (former toxic dumping ground. a network of Israel controlled roads criss crossed the west bank. would you except it I dont think so.
you also havent answered the point about the christian palestinians being butchered.
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20-30% of palestinians are christians- learn to recognise the Christian names so you can count the number of Christian martyrs. Not all the children being shot are Muslim.
(I don't care if there freaking Chinese... thats not the point... the point IS either Arafat can stop the suicide AND has not... or can't stop them... either way... should exculed him from any peace talks... either he can stop the bombings and won't... which in that case makes him a terrorist... OR he can't stop the bombings... which would mean no reason to talked to him because he can't do anything about it...
then you write.....
thankyou for raising this since this always puzzled me as well. This is until i read an article in the Guardian paper recently which blew away the myth of this offer. It was an offer that never was. Israel retained most if notall its settlements. palestinians in exchange for this prime land were granted desert as compensation (former toxic dumping ground. a network of Israel controlled roads criss crossed the west bank. would you except it I dont think so.
you also havent answered the point about the christian palestinians being butchered.
>>>>> Israel retained most if notall its settlements. "dats a big fat lie... read the tready yourself... Arafat was offeredd 96% of what he wanted.... HECK we even kicked in some 500 million bucks to help things along!! "YES 500 MILLION!!"
He said he would stop it... and it olny got worse....
you write... palestinians in exchange for this prime land were granted desert as compensation
(Teach them not to attack Israel no more huh... lol )
WHERE WAS ALLAH... in 48... 67 and 73... seems Allah dont wont you to have that land or else by Islame you would have it...
OFCOURSE now I don't expect an answer... must muslims run awayy about now///
Might is right
Might is not right, winning a battle does not mean you win the war. You have a very narrow view of History, only looking over the last 50 odd years. If might was right the Germans would not have murdered 6 million Jews. of course you will argue that The allies won in the end. but 6 million Jews still died. History proves that we have to take the longer view. as the blitzkreig occcured those on the recieving end must have felt that the Germans were all powerful. Only time will tell. let us all await the second coming of Jesus perhaps he will take the blinkers of your eyes.
Might
You are the one that raised the issue of winning wars by way of proving you are right not me. i said it i hope that Jesus removes the linkers from your eyes to see the truth. Let us hope and pray that Jesus stands as judge between us.
Suicide bombers
Suicide bombers are not the resort of the 'mighty' that is high altitude boming, apache aattack helicopters, tanks and missiles. Suicide bombing is the trait off the weak and disenfranchised.
Freakin Chinese
I deplore your use of language with racist overtone do try and remember you are Christian.
The issue is you are making it an Islam vs Judaism issue. you give the game away when you say where was Allah in 48,67 and 73. I would say since 20-30% of palestinians are christian where was Jesus. We maintain thiis is an issue of the oppressed vs the oppressors. since Jesus said the meek would inherit the earth I know which grp I would like to be in. Even the Pope was forced to speak out against the atrocities being committed.
I presume from your earlier comments you are white of european origin. Living on land seized from the American Indians.
Which one of us "white of european origin. Living on land seized from the American Indians" are you saying is using racist overtones?
While I think what settlers did to the Native American Indians was a disgrace, it happened over 200 years ago. Why bring up the past, one which we can't do anything about?
That's what is wrong in the Middle East. Bringing up the past is preventing them from having a peaceful co-existent future.
The greatest test of courage on earth is to bear defeat without losing heart.
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Which one of us "white of european origin. Living on land seized from the American Indians" are you saying is using racist overtones?
While I think what settlers did to the Native American Indians was a disgrace, it happened over 200 years ago. Why bring up the past, one which we can't do anything about?
That's what is wrong in the Middle East. Bringing up the past is preventing them from having a peaceful co-existent future.
Re: racism
The FACT still remains... either Arafat CAN stop the bombings and WON'T... or He can't stop the bombings... it's one way or the other... so there is not more need in anyone talking to him about peace... he either can't stop the bombings... or can and won't... the PEACE TALKS... need someone that CAN stop the bombings and will. Arafat has shown the He can and won't or can't stop them... no matter how ya slice it... He has MAJOR blood on his hands...
Arafat
you smack someone in the teeth and knee him in the groin and then complain of your bleeding knuckles and bruised knee. Jesus would be proud to call you his own.
I believe arafat can stop the bombings but chooses not too. The rights and wrongs of suicide bombing civilians is self evident as is the killing of civilians. it appears you value Jewish civilian lives more than palestinian civilians
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you smack someone in the teeth and knee him in the groin and then complain of your bleeding knuckles and bruised knee. Jesus would be proud to call you his own.
(Not sure what ya mean by that... so I WON'T take it as an insult... unto you learn to insult with clear meanings... lol.)
I believe arafat can stop the bombings but chooses not too.
(If that's true he has ALOT of blood on his hands.)
The rights and wrongs of suicide bombing civilians is self evident as is the killing of civilians. it appears you value Jewish civilian lives more than palestinian civilians
(NOT AT ALL... I wish both sides would come to peace... BUT Israel says they are willing to live side by side with a Palestine state... Barak even offered 97% of everything Arafat asked for at the camp david accords... WHICH Arafat turned down... second Hamas and others that the PLO backs have made it quite clear, there will be no peace as long as Israel is a state, they claim there will NEVER be peace if UNTIL Israel is run into the sea... plain and simple... AND on that note... ITS a coward that straps a bomb onto the back of a 17 year old girl and sends er off to her death because their to chicken$#!t to come out of their holes and fight themselves... HOW evil is that... to video tape a little girl saying she is going to do such a thing, then strap the bomb on her and send her to her death... COWARDS!! No wonder they lost in 48 67 and 73... )
Re: Arafat
June 25 — Yasser Arafat on Tuesday brushed off President Bush’s call for new Palestinian leadership, saying it was up to Palestinians to decide the matter in elections. Elsewhere, reaction was also mixed. Arab commentators called Bush’s hardened stance “dangerous,” while the European Union and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan and the European Union were lukewarm. Israel, meanwhile, welcomed Bush’s speech.
IN HIS OUTLINE for peace in the Middle East, Bush on Monday backed a Palestinian state but called for Arafat’s replacement, saying Palestinians must choose new leaders “uncompromised by terror.”
Palestinians universally rejected any plan to replace Arafat, saying Bush’s proposal amounted to U.S. interference in Palestinian politics.
Asked for a response to Bush’s call for new leadership, Arafat told reporters: “This is what my people will decide. They are the only ones who can determine this.”
Arafat, who is under international and internal pressure to reform the Palestinian Authority, said elections were necessary but he has not announced a date when they will be held.
If he was really wanting peace he would step down...
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