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katjam007 Registered User
Posts: 104
(11/15/03 4:16 pm) Reply
Al's future?
Got this from the message board at Kathybrier.com. Its under "November and Beyond, Oh My" if you want to check the sources.
Quote:Luna and Al leave in February, but Michael will remain on the show, a changed man, for Marcie to move on with.
I really, really like this, that Michael will be his own person after Feb. It really seems to be shaping up into a beautiful, selfless love story. Al transcends death to help Marcie move on with her life, and shows her its okay to love someone else. Then he can let go and return to heaven with Luna.
Total spec on my part, but I think in the next few months Al will have to learn that he's here to help Michael as much as Marcie. He seems focused on being with Marcie as Al, but eventually he'll discover that Marcie is the one who can heal Michael. He may grow to care about Michael, enough that he can let him have Marcie and give their relationship his blessing, so to speak. So basically he's bringing his girlfriend together with another man, one who he has to teach/help become a better person. In light of this all that Luna's been saying is makes sense. If he fails in his mission, he's back in heaven, Michael is still lost, and Marcie will be paralyzed by her grief.
It also makes sense that they are killing off/sending away Gabby (they better be sending her away). One of the most beautiful relationships on this show, imo, was the one between Al and his mom. I loved the way NM and FH portrayed the love these two have for each other. And Gabby's reaction to her son's death is so heartwrenching. but with her still in Llanview, it complicates Michael and Marcie's story. Gabby would be destroyed to see Marcie move on with someone else so soon after Al's death. And Al's mission is complicated enough without having to convince his mother to let Marcie be with Michael, even though he's inside Michael...oh, FORGET IT! Talk about confusing.
This is where the McBains come in. If they bring Eve McBain on board, then Michael can reconcile with her and John, eventually. I wouldn't want that to happen soon, I'd like to see the conflict between the brothers stretch out long term. Marcie can try to bring the two of them together, she can even form a bond with Eve before Michael does...there's so many ways this could play out. But we'll still have NM playing a character with family ties in Llanview. The Holdens are essentially gone from the canvas, and I think the writers had this aspect of the story arc planned out a long time ago, it just happens to also fit in with the revised s/l they came up with when NM was rehired.
I guess the biggest challenge isn't whether Marcie falls in love with Michael, but if Marcal fans fall in love with him too, enough to let Al go when the time comes. It does sadden me to think that the character of Al will be gone forever after Valentine's Day, but then again, he is just a character. I fully expect to be totally smitten with Michael McBain by Christmas, and by Valentine's Day I'll be saying "Al who?" But that's because I'm a diehard NM fan, not an Al fan. I imagine some viewers will have a much harder time with it.
If it plays out this way, or in a similar way, I'll be pleased as punch with what the writers are offering us. A complex, mysterious, and yes confusing story, but with all the loose ends eventually tied up. We get a love story, a redemption story, and a heroic story. After living a mostly troubled life, Al comes out on top in the end.
The only thing I hate about this is that Fiona Hutchinson is leaving. I'll really miss her. Maybe they can recast her as Eve McBain...then I would get everything I want. And of course, its all about me.
kathy
edited because I can't spell.
Al to Luna: I may be dead, but I still have some fight left in me.
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Posts: 760
(11/15/03 10:42 pm) Reply
Al phased out
I actually figured this was the direction... as per my speculation in in my recent other post... I even wrote that post a couple weeks ago listing numerically how TPTB probably went down this road... but what concerns me, as in my other post... will NM continue to play Michael, just without Al's spirit? Why would we see NM's face at that point if Al is no longer there? Unless NM wants to leave, for which I'd wish him well... how could the show continue with him?
Excerpt I love from Luisa Valenzuela's The Lizard's Tale: I have my obsessions, I have my fear that drags me along. I’ve been woven into a network of fears, they cross back and forth over my head, they close me in like an enormous web spun by a spider in the reeds, black and precise, malefically beautiful. This net of fears, this geometric pattern, I go on weaving it too without knowing why, without understanding it. I would like to decipher a small end of it at least, a point in the web, so as to go along unwinding the infernal plot, but I’m not permitted that either. Some of my dearest friends have been… running all kinds of risks, and here I am messing around, talking about a spiderweb that entraps me, putting myself into poetic images. The worst thing is that I can glimpse it so clearly, something woven by clusters of black spiders, crouching in wait for their prey, a broad, mile-wise web with us as the prey, and the spiders too.
This is a picture of a wall at the OLTL studio back in 95. My picture is the one on the right, 3rd up from the bottom. These pictures were up at the studio because the stage manager wanted to show everyone who they were talking to online. In those days, with AOL, people at the studio got to talk to us, even the actors would stop by the chat room.
Keeper of the Wing at St. Anne's for the Nuts for Nathaniel
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Posts: 761
(11/15/03 10:48 pm) Reply
NM was miscast in first place IMO
I've had this conversation with others... he was too heavenly gorgeous as a more mature man than a freshman in college when he was cast... It was a credit to NM's talent that he pulled it off as well as he did. He is far too handsome for even the likes of Jen's rejections... it made no sense whatsoever that she wouldn't drop dead for a man like him. He seemed far too bulky to be Gabrielle's son, though that's not as important an issue. I was glad NM was playing ANYTHING on our show, but I always thought he should be given else, even if they had to create a character for such an energetic actor...
Excerpt I love from Luisa Valenzuela's The Lizard's Tale: I have my obsessions, I have my fear that drags me along. I’ve been woven into a network of fears, they cross back and forth over my head, they close me in like an enormous web spun by a spider in the reeds, black and precise, malefically beautiful. This net of fears, this geometric pattern, I go on weaving it too without knowing why, without understanding it. I would like to decipher a small end of it at least, a point in the web, so as to go along unwinding the infernal plot, but I’m not permitted that either. Some of my dearest friends have been… running all kinds of risks, and here I am messing around, talking about a spiderweb that entraps me, putting myself into poetic images. The worst thing is that I can glimpse it so clearly, something woven by clusters of black spiders, crouching in wait for their prey, a broad, mile-wise web with us as the prey, and the spiders too.
This is a picture of a wall at the OLTL studio back in 95. My picture is the one on the right, 3rd up from the bottom. These pictures were up at the studio because the stage manager wanted to show everyone who they were talking to online. In those days, with AOL, people at the studio got to talk to us, even the actors would stop by the chat room.
katjam007 Registered User
Posts: 105
(11/16/03 7:40 am) Reply
Re: Al's future?
Quote:Why would we see NM's face at that point if Al is no longer there?
Because, as Luna keeps saying, he IS Michael too. And we have four months to get used to NM being Michael. Like I said before, I don't know if it was here or somewhere else, it makes ZERO sense to have the audience get used to seeing NM as Michael then yank him in Feb and put the other actor in. New viewers would be totally confused, and the rest of us would be outraged.
I also think this is why we saw so little of the other actor, since the intent of the writers is to have NM become this new character. If they were planning to revert back to this other actor (can't remember his name) then they would have him playing the part now, with Al voice overs.
kathy
Al to Luna: I may be dead, but I still have some fight left in me.
yeah
I don't care what happens as long as NM stays on the show. I just want him on the show. And I like him as michael. Don't get me wrong I love. But McAl is rough, tough and super hot stuff. And NM is a great actor. I'm all about him.
Keeper of the Wing
at St. Anne's for the
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DNMF#2
Eevil Past
Posts: 4
(11/17/03 3:47 am) Reply
"But McAl is rough, tough and super hot stuff"
That's hilarious invincible!!! McAl!!!
Booth been using it?
Its Char here by the way.. new name... I thought it was in tune with giving up Al... Its time to let a new day begin.. ring in our rough, tough, and super hot stuff... McAl. But my beautiful banner... argh! I have to find a vision of McAl and express it... for now, it might as well still say LadyEevil.. because it belongs in that time when Al was Al.
Excerpt from Seal IV:
You allow yourself to fall from grace then you feel again. You re-ignite the senses, you re-evaluate the gift of being able to make someone happy... The frustration, the self doubt, the all time low, the anxiety and the disappointment. You gather them & then you strike with the might of it all. You let it hurt you, maim you & even disgrace you. But you NEVER let it kill you. You let it get you down but then you get back up again & you strike! with the might of a peaceful warrior.
I love my life, I love all the people in my life, even the one's I hate I love. I have the most amazing life in the world. People say the nicest things to me. I'm lucky... I have a voice... I'm not referring to the singing variety. I mean the voice of expression, of communication, how about just being heard? Isn't that what we all want? When it really comes down to it, don't we all wish that we could just be heard so that it would then give us a feeling of validation? Surely this would confirm our existence after all, none of us want to come and go into oblivion. We want to be counted isn’t that what all the anxiety and frustration’s about?
If I had a wish, [besides world peace], it would be that everyone in the world could experience what it is like to be heard, to connect directly with the emotions of others… But then I guess that would be like world peace in a funny kind of way… Inner peace. All of this is the gift I wake up to each day so you see the problems are insignificant! They become irrelevant in the big picture. Yeah sure I have bad days, sometimes I get down so low that I could wear a top hat & still crawl under a snake, we all do but when we’re being assessed, it’s going to be on how quick & if all we did get back up.
What’s amazing is that... we remember the ones, the people that all too often go unmentioned.
Katjam, u read my mind sometimes!
Last nite I posted an opinion close to this. Not so much about the phasing out of Al and the Holden-Medinas, but that Marcie is the key to bringing Michael and his family together, not just Al. The spoiler/rumor that Al will leave and a "renewed soul" Michael will remain to pair up with Marcie makes sense and also explains why certain gossip boards insist NM will be gone in Feb. Al buchanan Holden will be gone, renewed Michael will be present, and NM stays in place essentially a new character. I have to say if his performance last week was any indication, NM will have no problem pulling this off.
Here's to hoping the character isn't written into a goody-goody hole after he is proven to be Marcie-worthy.
Keeper of the Wing
at St. Anne's for the
Nuts for Nathaniel
DNMF#2
Eevil Past
Posts: 6
(11/17/03 5:56 pm) Reply
HERE'S A THEORY FOR YA! Read it and you just might weep!
Quote:makes ZERO sense to have the audience get used to seeing NM as Michael then yank him in Feb and put the other actor in. New viewers would be totally confused, and the rest of us would be outraged.
Yeah, but I think that the confusion aspect wouldn't be the problem. The outrage about NM would be the problem.
Quote:If they were planning to revert back to this other actor (can't remember his name) then they would have him playing the part now, with Al voice overs.
Good point! Although, playing devil's advocate here... that could be a later stepping stone, with NM in the beginning to appease fans, and slowly phase him out, albeit at the outrage of fans, but it would YET AGAIN raise the bar on body issues... at what point is the show calling our bluff about the importance of body issues if they were to do this?
Here's another scenario.. far fetched as it may be! I don't begin to think this will happen, but I'm trying to put pieces together in unusual ways, working the rubic's cube so to speak... that creative mind of mine hard at work, stretching the limits of reality, lol, but since when has that ever stopped me!
Al leaves Michael's body when he leaves with Luna, and takes NM along with him... and the other actor plays Michael instead of NM, as a fusion of Michael with what Al infused in him. Marcie is in love with him because all that Al is... is in Michael, what really counts, just like when Al fell for Marcie. Marcal exists in every way that counts, even as fans would still find it exacerbating. But it DOES stretch the OUTER LIMITS in terms of fan acceptance...
The only way I see it happening even as a possibility... is if we don't lose NM, but he's not Michael. Here's how: Al has a twin or is resurected by SA witchdoctor, lol, with no memory of who he is.. somehow NM plays yet another character (twin), or himself (with memory loss), but Marcie is with the only Al that is left, the part that is left in Michael. Now NM is free to go in a different direction from Marcal.
I only suggest it because I think there's a strong contingency of non-vocal non-organized fans who dont think NM's Al matches with KB's Marcie. Now, NM would never choose those fans over his loyal ones, and even if he did secretly, not that he would, he wouldn't be stupid enough to admit it.. I don't think the guy is his poker face.. I think he's a fusion of layers... and even if NM was ready to DIE for Marcalers, sacrafice his career for those that saved it, yada yada and he deserves to be sainted... if the show and/or his representation felt it was better for the show and/or his career.. who is to say?
I've never been dishonest about my affection for Marcal, but also my feelings on its limitations. I've never been firm that it was the best thing for NM's career, until it saved his job. But some would say, and do, that NM could get pigeonholed in this, and it could hurt his career outside this soap. In this way, some would say that he was better off leaving the show, but not if the show made a sweet deal like this for him...
I'm not going to pretend that I mind any of this as long as its in NM's best interest. And not that any of this is true or even a possibility... its just some far fetched speculation I dreamed up. I'm nothing if not a dreamer.
Char
Excerpt from Seal IV:
You allow yourself to fall from grace then you feel again. You re-ignite the senses... re-evaluate the gift of being able to make someone happy... The frustration... self doubt... all time low... anxiety &... disappointment. You gather them & then you strike with the might of it all. You let it hurt you, maim you & even disgrace you. But you NEVER let it kill you. You let it get you down but then you get back up again & you strike! with the might of a peaceful warrior.
I love my life, I love all the people in my life, even the one's I hate I love. I have the most amazing life in the world. People say the nicest things to me. I'm lucky... I have a voice... I'm not referring to the singing variety. I mean the voice of expression, of communication, how about just being heard? Isn't that what we all want?... [so] it would then give us a feeling of validation? Surely this would confirm our existence after all, none of us want to come and go into oblivion. We want to be counted isn’t that what all the anxiety and frustration’s about?
If I had a wish, [besides world peace], it would be that everyone in the world could experience what it is like to be heard, to connect directly with the emotions of others… But then I guess that would be like world peace in a funny kind of way… Inner peace. All of this is the gift I wake up to each day so you see the problems are insignificant! They become irrelevant in the big picture. Yeah sure I have bad days, sometimes I get down so low that I could wear a top hat & still crawl under a snake, we all do but when we’re being assessed, it’s going to be on how quick & if all we did get back up.
What’s amazing is that we come out of it [&]... we remember the... people that all too often go unnoticed.
Keeper of the Wing
at St. Anne's for the
Nuts for Nathaniel
DNMF#2
Eevil Past
Posts: 7
(11/17/03 9:17 pm) Reply
Re: Katjam, u read my mind sometimes!
Marcie is a heroine, and even as we dream of Naughty Marcie layers... it stands to reason that she would see a problem and want to fix it. We love Marcie for that, among other reasons...
As for phasing out Holden-Medinas, if my farfetched theory were to come into play, I'd hope that Gabs doesn't die if FH must be gone.. so that Max and Gab can come back when times a ripe...
Char
Excerpt from Seal IV:
You allow yourself to fall from grace then you feel again. You re-ignite the senses... re-evaluate the gift of being able to make someone happy... The frustration... self doubt... all time low... anxiety &... disappointment. You gather them & then you strike with the might of it all. You let it hurt you, maim you & even disgrace you. But you NEVER let it kill you. You let it get you down but then you get back up again & you strike! with the might of a peaceful warrior.
I love my life, I love all the people in my life, even the one's I hate I love. I have the most amazing life in the world. People say the nicest things to me. I'm lucky... I have a voice... I'm not referring to the singing variety. I mean the voice of expression, of communication, how about just being heard? Isn't that what we all want?... [so] it would then give us a feeling of validation? Surely this would confirm our existence after all, none of us want to come and go into oblivion. We want to be counted isn’t that what all the anxiety and frustration’s about?
If I had a wish, [besides world peace], it would be that everyone in the world could experience what it is like to be heard, to connect directly with the emotions of others… But then I guess that would be like world peace in a funny kind of way… Inner peace. All of this is the gift I wake up to each day so you see the problems are insignificant! They become irrelevant in the big picture. Yeah sure I have bad days, sometimes I get down so low that I could wear a top hat & still crawl under a snake, we all do but when we’re being assessed, it’s going to be on how quick & if all we did get back up.
What’s amazing is that we come out of it [&]... we remember the... people that all too often go unnoticed.
Keeper of the Wing
at St. Anne's for the
Nuts for Nathaniel
DNMF#2
Eevil Past
Posts: 9
(11/17/03 9:24 pm) Reply
Re: Here's a theory for ya! Read it and you just might weep!
Since my wierdo theory has some ideas about NM outside Marcal, I brought this back from archives from before some of you ladies were around... I bring up points about what NM gains and loses with Marcal, and how being free from Marcal has some advantages... This was during the twin speculation time period...
I know my opinion is not going to be popular but bear with me. I DO LOVE Marcal even if I approached it from a different angle, and I hope no one ever questions that... but I've never felt it was in NM's best interest, even if much good came from it. You know I came to MARCAL kicking and screaming as I put it... its not because I personally didn't think I'd enjoy it... it was about knowing too much about the reality of daytime. The idea of having him come back as a twin actually intriques me. My only worry is getting NEITHER Al nor the twin, because I'd like to see NM stay on the show I've loved, AND I can't help but believe its in his best interest in terms of his "resume" etc...
MARCAL negatives: 1. Its the volatile moody wounded intense men that get a big following (and Nathaniel is MADE for that role far more than any of the other "bad" boys of the show besides TSJ) I think NM had that going in the beginning, but because of Gary Tomlin and co., and the need to prop Jen, Al was written as someone no woman would find sexy because, despite the qualities that Nathaniel brought to Al, Al was written as a lap dog. 2. Like Max and Luna, sweet love stories can ruin a character. Need I say more considering we never saw the likes of a good Max storyline since then? 3. Girls often don't relate to women like Marcie, so for every Marcaler, there's probably a girl who isn't interested. I do keep in touch with people around the net who I give space to be open with me without judgement... who don't have the guts to say online "I love Al.. but am so turned off that he's being paired with Marcie.. and its not like I don't like her myself, but they don't match, for example... "reminds me of how guys tell each other... hea, if you need it that bad, find an overweight chick". You might think, well, who needs these fans? Well, I say, who needs any fan, creepy or sweet, if not for the numbers... I'm talking reality here, not a judgment call. I'm not saying NM doesn't really like us, or anything like that... but honestly... lets get real here.
What good came from MARCAL: 1. Proof he's an amazing actor because he took a sappy story and made it must see OLTL for anyone who took the time to pay attention, as well as making something probably unbelieveable in real life into something believeable 2. The Marcalers are campaign central, best fans NM could have dreamed of 3. Those who DO get it are given a rare treat for a soap opera 4. Showed how much range NM has to make Al so layered... he made it possible to see the creepy Al and the princely Al, as the same person... flawlessly, and SEAMLESSLY.
A friend of mine quoted a producer of this show "its not what the fans want to see, its the stories we want to tell". If killing Al is the story whoever in charge WANTS to tell, then its going to happen. For instance, no doubt, gazillions of T&Bers watched TNT because someone who had power LIKED the couple. I don't HONESTLY think campaigning REALLY does anything, except make jokes for TPTB... "yeah, I got 78 letters from that actors 3 fans, ha ha" We do it because it MIGHT make a difference, it gives us HOPE, let's us reach out to the actor we admire, and don't want to lose.. and it helps the actor in the sense that whoever wants to hire knows there's a fan base that comes with...
I admit, FULLY, that I am first and foremost a Nathaniel Marston fan, and if given a choice between following NM to his next project and OLTL, I would choose NM, without reservation. I'm am MORE than certain of his abilities and that if lil ole me with minimal acting experience can see what NM has to offer, bigshots who can hire him must too. I am staying with OLTL with or without NM, only because I'm so much a part of the online community, I'd miss everyone, but rant and rave till doomsday about TIIC losing NM. Oh, I'd take him as Al's twin... I'd take him as Al.. I just prefer him on the canvas I'm invested in... instead of not being able to see him on any canvas, investing in a new canvas, and it possibly doing any harm to his career... Do I prefer Al? There are pros and cons.. tell ya the truth, part of me wonders about the possibilities of what we can see NM do if he WEREN'T Al.
Excerpt from Seal IV:
You allow yourself to fall from grace then you feel again. You re-ignite the senses... re-evaluate the gift of being able to make someone happy... The frustration... self doubt... all time low... anxiety &... disappointment. You gather them & then you strike with the might of it all. You let it hurt you, maim you & even disgrace you. But you NEVER let it kill you. You let it get you down but then you get back up again & you strike! with the might of a peaceful warrior.
I love my life, I love all the people in my life, even the one's I hate I love. I have the most amazing life in the world. People say the nicest things to me. I'm lucky... I have a voice... I'm not referring to the singing variety. I mean the voice of expression, of communication, how about just being heard? Isn't that what we all want?... [so] it would then give us a feeling of validation? Surely this would confirm our existence after all, none of us want to come and go into oblivion. We want to be counted isn’t that what all the anxiety and frustration’s about?
If I had a wish, [besides world peace], it would be that everyone in the world could experience what it is like to be heard, to connect directly with the emotions of others… But then I guess that would be like world peace in a funny kind of way… Inner peace. All of this is the gift I wake up to each day so you see the problems are insignificant! They become irrelevant in the big picture. Yeah sure I have bad days, sometimes I get down so low that I could wear a top hat & still crawl under a snake, we all do but when we’re being assessed, it’s going to be on how quick & if all we did get back up.
What’s amazing is that we come out of it [&]... we remember the... people that all too often go unnoticed.
Re: Here's a theory for ya! Read it and you just might weep!
Quote:Al was written as someone no woman would find sexy because, despite the qualities that Nathaniel brought to Al, Al was written as a lap dog.
I think we can all agree with this one. They made it darn near impossible to like Al. Thank God for NM!
As for some of your other comments, I am aware of the reputation fat girls supposedly have. And I would argue that Marcie definately doesn't fit this theory. I don't care how horny a guy is. Not one of them is gonna wait-what? 5-7 months for some booty. I don't even know what to say to the fact that u r right. i am sure there r a group of women and men who don't understand y Al would be with Marcie. All I can do is shake my head.
And of course I agree with all your comments about the good things NM brought to MarcAl.
Keeper of the Wing
at St. Anne's for the
Nuts for Nathaniel
DNMF#2
Eevil Past
Posts: 12
(11/17/03 8:05 pm) Reply
Re: Here's a theory for ya! Read it and you just might weep!
About the reality of overweight women... Yeah, we talked about how Marcal wouldn't work in real life, but its a fantasy... and to the extent that there are fans who won't go there because of it, or because they want to live vicariously through a vixen melting a man.. there's fans who would have liked NM in the right story, but with model woman... just reality of audience kind of thing, but boy did they miss out for not giving Marcal a chance to dazzle them...
Quote:I don't care how horny a guy is. Not one of them is gonna wait-what? 5-7 months for some booty. I don't even know what to say to the fact that u r right. i am sure there r a group of women and men who don't understand y Al would be with Marcie. All I can do is shake my head.
After what he went through with Jen though, and not to mention Natalie's betrayal even as they didn't hook up, it was a serious hit to his manhood self esteem.. total and utter betrayal is all Al knew of women... I bought that Al would wait for Marcie... He had enough of these women who didn't make him feel special... and I'm not saying that Al wouldn't get him some booty if it were offered the right way, as the frat boy mentality actually checks out as not just me infusing in my fan fic.. I got the "chick" from his own mouth, as it turns out.. I have scenes of him talking like that about women on my old tapes... but I think the idea of a woman really digging on him was the ultimate turn on after these other women used him at best.. made him feel like a chump, whereas here's this Marcie girl.. really getting him as the voice... melting his heart
What's funny is that Natalie did offer booty later, when she was trying to get over Cris thinking she couldn't get with him, and Al just capped on her for throwing herself at him, then went to town to tell the boys about what a ho she is... and then later pushed all her buttons in private, challenging her to go for it when he's the agressor... man talk about hot... this was the stuff that made me hot for Al... twisted as it may be. Al wouldn't have any booty thrown at him... at least from some woman who treated him like yesterday's newspaper... but he did like using it against her to cap on her, and publically humiliate her... and then try to intimidate her, seeing if she'd go for it when he's the agressor.. he wasn't going to be any lap dog. I don't know if Al acutally thought Natalie would still offer under those circumstances, or if he just enjoyed making her cringe... man it was hot daytime though...
When Natalie went in a different direction... I looked at Jen and went.. awwww man.. this is all I have to work with? Then I started to imagine her realizing Al was great, after she had time to get over her obsession with Cris.. and thinking.. wouldn't it be fun to see Al diss her like he did Natalie? But Jen really wants him, and he ain't having it?.. Then I imagined him realizing she really did dig on him... and then... Al is sniffing around Marcie and I'm like...
It took me a while to warm up to Marcal (oh how I cringe at the thought of things KB must have seen me write.. cuz turns out she was on the list I used to diss Marcie on).. but then.. one day... Marcie is running into Al's arms after he went to buy chinese after he got off the drugs, and there's such love in the room, and well, who could hate the girl who cares for my boy? Matter of fact, I felt love swell in my heart when Al looked back at her that way cuz she was inspiring him to be the best he could be... That's the day I became Marcal #41.
Char
Excerpt from Seal IV:
You allow yourself to fall from grace then you feel again. You re-ignite the senses... re-evaluate the gift of being able to make someone happy... The frustration... self doubt... all time low... anxiety &... disappointment. You gather them & then you strike with the might of it all. You let it hurt you, maim you & even disgrace you. But you NEVER let it kill you. You let it get you down but then you get back up again & you strike! with the might of a peaceful warrior.
I love my life, I love all the people in my life, even the one's I hate I love. I have the most amazing life in the world. People say the nicest things to me. I'm lucky... I have a voice... I'm not referring to the singing variety. I mean the voice of expression, of communication, how about just being heard? Isn't that what we all want?... [so] it would then give us a feeling of validation? Surely this would confirm our existence after all, none of us want to come and go into oblivion. We want to be counted isn’t that what all the anxiety and frustration’s about?
If I had a wish, [besides world peace], it would be that everyone in the world could experience what it is like to be heard, to connect directly with the emotions of others… But then I guess that would be like world peace in a funny kind of way… Inner peace. All of this is the gift I wake up to each day so you see the problems are insignificant! They become irrelevant in the big picture. Yeah sure I have bad days, sometimes I get down so low that I could wear a top hat & still crawl under a snake, we all do but when we’re being assessed, it’s going to be on how quick & if all we did get back up.
What’s amazing is that we come out of it [&]... we remember the... people that all too often go unnoticed.
L
I don't want anyone to take away from this thread that women who are atypical to Hollywoods' idea of beauty and looks stand no chance at getting a decent or attractive man (I happen to know a Kat with a fab hubby). While we aren't always appreciated in some circles, in others we are. In the midwest they have done surveys and women who look like Marcie are deemed more attractive than a Jen.
katjam007 Registered User
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(11/19/03 8:51 pm) Reply
Re: L Gee, and I live in the Midwest, too.
I really take exception with the theory that Marcal couldn't happen in real life. I've seen gorgeous men with women that I thought were meh in the looks department, and I've seen beautiful women with men who I thought weren't all that hot. But what it boils down to is that its my opinion, and what I find attractive isn't the same as what other people find attractive. And many people do look beyond the physical, into the personality, and fall in love with the soul. From that point the outward appearance ceases to matter, if it even mattered in the first place. Sure there are shallow people everywhere, folks who don't care about what's inside the package, just as long as the wrapping sparkles. Yet we all know eventually that sparkle fades, or it gets plastic surgery. Then what are you left with?
But...I do think women, no matter their size, age, looks, whatever, want to be thought of as pretty by someone other than their mother. Which is why maybe women make a bigger deal about looks then men. Men are drawn to physical appearance, but confidence, contentment, and acceptance of who we are, flaws and all, appeal to them too, and make us all the more beautiful. Kathy Brier possesses all three qualities...its no wonder so many people are drawn to her, and think she's beautiful. Because she is.
kathy
Al to Luna: I may be dead, but I still have some fight left in me.
Again- I don't CARE as long as NM is in the role----
but I do want him with marcie-- i don't want micheal to ' go in a different direction' i don't think that would be FAIR at all to the marcalers-- who wrote in bigtime- who wished and hoped and prayed and most of all camppaigned-- ( i'm NOT saying that other NM fans did not contribute) becuase they did-- but MOST fans were thinking of marcie and al-- so IF he is micheal or Al or WHATEVE R they call him- I want the marcal magic to continue- I think NM is good- i think fans enjoyed him-- but he did NOT enjoy this HUGE earth shattering success on OLTL UNTIL they paired him with KB's marcie---- jen was a disaster and as for Nat-- i think TPTb ahd decided NOt to do it-- and to me-- they ahd frankly decided NOT to give Al anyone-- they were gonna just LET him keep being best friends with jess and whatnot-- they did NOT seem interested in pairing him UNTIL they wrote him with marcie-- i KNOW nothing lasts forever in soaps- or even very long-- that would be messy messy messy-- for them to bring him back SAY he will be paired with marcie( KB) then run and put him with someone esle-- IF fans wanted them broken up-- we could have just :"settled ' for Moey or Miley--but NO we wanted marcal-- or marcie michAL or whatever it will be-- the sad thing about this now-- is that marcal fans are now-- NOT as united BECAUSE TIIC changed the story on us--- but i thik we gotta kepp holding on to - Nathaniel and kathy pairing-- at least for me-- and at least for a while-- I just think that there is NO ONE else on that show for Nathaniel to be paired with !!!-I sure don't want no women swapping of the mcbain boys-- like the vega boys do( yuck) that is just nasty to me-- well JMHO-- I want NM back as micheal or al or whoever-- and i want a ROMANCE-- ehy the man is sexy as he**--- and OLTL are not gonna pair him with anyone esle or her either- besides for ME-- IF nm leaves OLTL-- I will probably NOT see himanymore unless he goes to another soap- and i doubt he would do that- he seems to love OLTL esp since kathy is there- heehee
and ANOTHER thing!
I think they will do like a merge thing in Feb. when marcie finds out and realizes it is her Al in there-- she will have already accepted that the parts of michAL she loves is BECAUSE he reminds her of AL--- and then to realize that it IS Al-- it will be powerful-- i just think then luna will go back to heaven and i HOPE they will doa merge thing from heaven ( as a reward- so Al will STILL be with marcie) IF Al is NOT micheal and micheal is AL-- then what was the POINT-I mean they couldhave just brought NM back AS Micheal-- and let those who wanted to like him and those who don't- whatever--- but they brought him back in this way so that we could STILL have marcal( marcie and al-though it will really be marcie and michAL) which will be just as good--- when they need some conflict and Al starts to act Al ish( he is max holden and gabby's kid) well we can claim it is the micheal in him---- heehee anyway like i said as LONG as NM is back and IS paired with KB's marcie then I am cool-- and if later they decide to " pair them with other people"-- I will STILL watch BECAUSE i think MOST fans will reject that and " raise hell to they get them BACK in each other's arms"-- TPTB are the ones who have been saying marcal is soul mates and each other's BEST friends etc---so it's ALL good!!!!- I just NM &KB to have a FAIR chance--(it is NOT their fault or ours that TIIC CHANGED the story on us) and we have got to STAY united and KEEP writing in and posting good things about this story---- it will hit it's stride soon and take off-- already i see some folks softening as marcie softens--( thankfully they have already pulled him back from all the following her around and junk) IF i had my true lover in life -I would NOT want to lose her either-- but you KNOW how fans will pretend he is practically stalking her like he DID with jen- so I don't want any comparisons--- there are plenty of fans who are willing to give this story a chance and MORE being added everyday!!!we just need to lead the charge!
Keeper of the Wing
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(11/20/03 8:59 pm) Reply
Ladybrin...
But...
Now, I'm down with Marcal, for as long as the ride lasts.... But about whether NM shines because of her... that particular chemistry? What if its not KB, but that KB was the first chance he got to shine? He has chemistry with EVERYBODY on the show... I haven't found ANYONE he doesn't react well off of.. even greats like Easton can't work a scene with Archer, but our boy can (I have like a ton of acting classes I got A's in so I have some ability to spot good acting). Just becasue the storylines didn't work, didn't mean there wasn't chemistry.
I wish I could have it both ways...
I'd take NM any way on the show.. but the fan base is important for longevity... that's the rub.
Char
Excerpt from Seal IV:
You allow yourself to fall from grace then you feel again. You re-ignite the senses... re-evaluate the gift of being able to make someone happy... The frustration... self doubt... all time low... anxiety &... disappointment. You gather them & then you strike with the might of it all. You let it hurt you, maim you & even disgrace you. But you NEVER let it kill you. You let it get you down but then you get back up again & you strike! with the might of a peaceful warrior.
I love my life, I love all the people in my life, even the one's I hate I love. I have the most amazing life in the world. People say the nicest things to me. I'm lucky... I have a voice... I'm not referring to the singing variety. I mean the voice of expression, of communication, how about just being heard? Isn't that what we all want?... [so] it would then give us a feeling of validation? Surely this would confirm our existence after all, none of us want to come and go into oblivion. We want to be counted isn’t that what all the anxiety and frustration’s about?
If I had a wish, [besides world peace], it would be that everyone in the world could experience what it is like to be heard, to connect directly with the emotions of others… But then I guess that would be like world peace in a funny kind of way… Inner peace. All of this is the gift I wake up to each day so you see the problems are insignificant! They become irrelevant in the big picture. Yeah sure I have bad days, sometimes I get down so low that I could wear a top hat & still crawl under a snake, we all do but when we’re being assessed, it’s going to be on how quick & if all we did get back up.
What’s amazing is that we come out of it [&]... we remember the... people that all too often go unnoticed.
Keeper of the Wing
at St. Anne's for the
Nuts for Nathaniel
DNMF#2
Eevil Past
Posts: 26
(11/21/03 12:54 am) Reply
Re: and ANOTHER thing!
Quote: if later they decide to " pair them with other people"-- I will STILL watch BECAUSE i think MOST fans will reject that and " raise hell to they get them BACK in each other's arms
This is the spirit of Marcal that is so beautiful... We aren't going to rant and rave and scream... we support those we believe in NO MATTER WHAT, and keep a consistent commitment to what is ideal, having faith... as Al said.. "Believe in miracles"
Well, just to make sure I'm being clear, though I think that Marcal exists even if Al leaves Michael, because he infused Michael with a sense of himself that was lacking in Michael... would you accept that NM is no longer involved in Michael? Would you accept that NM goes in a different direction on the show, leaving Marcie with Michael (infused by him but no longer involving NM)?
Char
Excerpt from Seal IV:
You allow yourself to fall from grace then you feel again. You re-ignite the senses... re-evaluate the gift of being able to make someone happy... The frustration... self doubt... all time low... anxiety &... disappointment. You gather them & then you strike with the might of it all. You let it hurt you, maim you & even disgrace you. But you NEVER let it kill you. You let it get you down but then you get back up again & you strike! with the might of a peaceful warrior.
I love my life, I love all the people in my life, even the one's I hate I love. I have the most amazing life in the world. People say the nicest things to me. I'm lucky... I have a voice... I'm not referring to the singing variety. I mean the voice of expression, of communication, how about just being heard? Isn't that what we all want?... [so] it would then give us a feeling of validation? Surely this would confirm our existence after all, none of us want to come and go into oblivion. We want to be counted isn’t that what all the anxiety and frustration’s about?
If I had a wish, [besides world peace], it would be that everyone in the world could experience what it is like to be heard, to connect directly with the emotions of others… But then I guess that would be like world peace in a funny kind of way… Inner peace. All of this is the gift I wake up to each day so you see the problems are insignificant! They become irrelevant in the big picture. Yeah sure I have bad days, sometimes I get down so low that I could wear a top hat & still crawl under a snake, we all do but when we’re being assessed, it’s going to be on how quick & if all we did get back up.
What’s amazing is that we come out of it [&]... we remember the... people that all too often go unnoticed.
mmm, i don't know about that Char!
My only condition for continuing to watch is that NM came back and stayed with KB. They can change him n2 whoever they like and I'll watch. If they had done a twin scenario, i'd still watch. But I watch OLTL 4 1 reason only 2 see the fireworks i see when i watch them 2gether. Something that i can't recall in any recent history seeing in another soap couple. take that away and as great as NM is and as great as KB is, it is them 2gether that brought fans to their mighty roar.
Keeper of the Wing
at St. Anne's for the
Nuts for Nathaniel
DNMF#2
Eevil Past
Posts: 30
(11/21/03 7:56 pm) Reply
I know, its a tough one...
On one hand, Marcal fireworks
on the other... an Al that towers over a woman intimidating her against the wall, for example... (I"m having fun doing a similar scene, heh heh.. but not with NM )
Excerpt from Seal IV:
You allow yourself to fall from grace then you feel again. You re-ignite the senses... re-evaluate the gift of being able to make someone happy... The frustration... self doubt... all time low... anxiety &... disappointment. You gather them & then you strike with the might of it all. You let it hurt you, maim you & even disgrace you. But you NEVER let it kill you. You let it get you down but then you get back up again & you strike! with the might of a peaceful warrior.
I love my life, I love all the people in my life, even the one's I hate I love. I have the most amazing life in the world. People say the nicest things to me. I'm lucky... I have a voice... I'm not referring to the singing variety. I mean the voice of expression, of communication, how about just being heard? Isn't that what we all want?... [so] it would then give us a feeling of validation? Surely this would confirm our existence after all, none of us want to come and go into oblivion. We want to be counted isn’t that what all the anxiety and frustration’s about?
If I had a wish, [besides world peace], it would be that everyone in the world could experience what it is like to be heard, to connect directly with the emotions of others… But then I guess that would be like world peace in a funny kind of way… Inner peace. All of this is the gift I wake up to each day so you see the problems are insignificant! They become irrelevant in the big picture. Yeah sure I have bad days, sometimes I get down so low that I could wear a top hat & still crawl under a snake, we all do but when we’re being assessed, it’s going to be on how quick & if all we did get back up.
What’s amazing is that we come out of it [&]... we remember the... people that all too often go unnoticed.
I fully expect to be totally smitten with Michael McBain by Christmas, and by Valentine's Day I'll be saying "Al who?" But that's because I'm a diehard NM fan, not an Al fan. I imagine some viewers will have a much harder time with it.
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