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soundoff
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(4/13/02 11:36 pm)
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Are the Jews correct when they say
that the OT does not have any spiritual side to it? Only the NT does?

It would be extremely difficult for me to think that Grace and Spirituality did not start in the OT. The OT seems to be not included when we talk of the Spiritual things. The Jews seem to leave out the NT and the Christians seems on a whole not understand the OT. Not all Christians would fall under this but many do.

Now the covenant by God to Abraham is seen in the following verses:

Gen 12:2 and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and be thou a blessing;

Gen 12:3 and I will bless them that bless thee, and him that curseth thee will I curse: and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

Now notice that God said I will bless all that are in thee Abraham and "all" the families of the earth will be blessed.

Looking at this verse we can see that Abraham's seed would not be in every nation and race on the earth.
His seed is not in every family and race in every nation for this would be impossible.

We know that God has blessed not every family in every nation. It's not worth the time to explain why we can know this. God in fact said those who are not in Abraham would be cursed if they were rejecting Abraham etc. So not all families can be blessed if God would curse them other families.

So "all" does not mean all if you take some out of the situation. But since all means "all" and not minus one then we must ask what did God mean by "all"?

God meant those who are in Abraham by faith. The bible said Abraham was counted for righteousness by His faith.

By His faith we can see it was done before the law of God came out. The law had nothing to do with this Covenant.

Now we can see that those who are in Abraham will be the blessed. This blessing is spiritual and not carnal.
Abraham’s seed is limited in the carnal and cannot be in every nations and every family. It is not about seeds but about the seed, which is the promise seed. This promise seed is of God doing the elect through Abraham’s seed. God said in his seed…. Not in his seeds.

By just using the OT we can see that God made the covenant with Abraham by a spiritual covenant and not by the carnal because logic as I showed cannot show us any different.


In conclusion the Spiritual Covenant first started with Abraham because a carnal one could not fill the promise of God when he said "all” by making it mean a carnal covenant with Abraham's physical seed. God did keep his promise with Abraham by making him a great nation through his seed as well.

The Jews plainly missed this point.


Jaray

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(4/14/02 2:07 am)
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Re: Are the Jews correct when they say
Galations 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Galations 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galations 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Ahhhh but they just don't see it, yet they can't account for these many nation, but in fact the blessing of Abraham has become a blessing to all nations byway of Christ and the adoption... but as 2 Cor 3:15 say it is hid from them... )

2 Corinitains 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

(Its is through Fathers adoption, we are place as a blessing through the seed of Abraham, by Christ it has indeed become ablessing to all nation, fact I don't think there is one nation anywhere, where a seed of Abraham through Christ is not present, even Iraq. They Jews" just can't see, and by romans chap 11 and2 cor and Hebrews a piece of the puzzle has been kept from them till the time of the gentiles is done.)


ARG my dang space bar is going out!!! hope i got them all.

Blessing, KJChristianWarrior.

soundoff
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(4/14/02 2:38 am)
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Yet we know that
every nation is blessed by God through Christ but not every family of every nation has been blessed. It is the every or the "all" of every family in every nation that has not been blessed.

Even if they did not have the NT to go by the bible logically would show that God was talking about something different here than just a carnal blessing/

God most assuredly though would be able to bless all spiritual families from every nation that has been born again.


JaRay

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(4/14/02 2:59 am)
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Re: Yet we know that
Yes I agree... and even those before Christ went to the cross... such as enoch... and able... Noah... And Melchizedek king of Salem, priest of the most high God.

All, not of the seed of Abraham... BUT I think these had the spiritual blessing and light of Christ in them anyway... myself.

Blessing, KJChristianWarrior.

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