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Andranneth
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(9/4/05 6:15 am)
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Difficult player Type 1: The Diva Syndrome
Difficult player Types and ways to deal with them
Part 1: The Diva Syndrome


Definition:
A player who sees the game as his/her own private playground where everyone else is supposed to cater to him/her.

Description:
This type often (but not always) comes in tandem with a Mary Sue.

The Diva-kind player would often not actively work to bring the character into the story and keep him/her there, but expect other to constantly pay attention and work to include him/her. If that does not happen they will get upset. For example, the character might enter an area where several other characters are already busy in converstation with each other. Instead of joining the conversation or even offering a greeting he Diva character will just be 'nearby', doing something else and waiting for one of the others see him/her and invite him/her.

There is, however, the other extreme also. In that case it does not matter what kind of behaviour the characters and scene call for. The Diva character would simply barge in and take over, sometimes turning the scene into a completely different (and oftentimes absurd) direction. And example for this would be the new Ranger character barging into the middle of the Council of Elrond, knowing every character around (whether that character agrees or not), knowing everything about the Ring and the purpose of the Council - and while said Ranger is at it he would also volunteer to take the Ring to Mordor before finally sitting down. That behavious, is most common for Mary Sue Divas.

A Diva player would expect others to pay attention and to react to every last detail and half-sentence in their post. Often there are deliberately thrown out but unfinished comments like "That reminds me..", which are aimed at making the other character ask questions upon which the Diva can reveal his/her glorious past and knowledge without seeming to forcing it on everyone. If that comment is not followed up on by the other character/players the Diva will repeat it, and oftentimes get angry.

On the other hand, Diva players tend to not read other player's post properly, and often even ignore large parts. They will simply move the story in the direction they want it without caring about what other characters do. For example, once two characters were in a locked room, having a provate conversation when the local Diva burst in (through the locked door) and took a walk with one of the characters (who was rather confused because he had thought before that he was in the house and the in the Diva's post he was suddenly in the garden) and of course completely ignored the presence of the second character.


How to deal with them:

This is of course the most difficult art, for there is no eternal truth when dealing with people.

As a player it is usually easiest to just leave the group. That means that Admins should keep their eyes open and react soon when such problems arise, or they will lose players.

One way is to use the Gamemaster power and correct the trouble caused by the Diva. In the example above that would mean posting a gamemaster post that declared the two characters are still in the room and that the Diva character can have done nothing more than knock at the door. That of course is a time-consuming tedious work. A more simple way would be to simply delete teh Civa's post and assume it never happened.

It is also good to officially send out the message that such behavious is not welcome in the group. At first that can be done in a very friendly way, explaining that the Diva player obviously 'missed' some important details and that the gamemaster had to intervene for the sake of consistency. But if it happens repeatedly, don't hesitate to make the message sharper and clearer.

You will probably lose the Diva as a player, but that is preverable to losing several unnerved players. I have seen several groups die because of Diva behaviour.


Please comment, and admins, please share your strategies and experiences so that we can make this guideline more detailed and helpful.

Nolendur

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(9/5/05 3:42 pm)
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Re: Difficult player Type 1: The Diva Syndrome
My comments, or most likely, things I might add (aside to say I enjoyed this a lot, and will, if you continue! :D ) :

Many times these Primmadonnas have a good knowledge of the books, then the Diva players become, rather than Mary Sues, Canon Sues (you can guess, more or less what is a Canon Sue, think in the character of Arwen as she was portrayed in the movies, put them into a RP, and you have a good examples of Canon Sues -- Movies fans, take no offence).

And because this (because they might have some knowledge of the books) their Divism grows and is fed, for they will be continuously recalling the whole world how much good they are -- until they met another player that will amend them (just guess what will happen that day), for Divas adapt the books to their purposes and disregard what wouldn’t fit to them (*of course* Arwen fights and rules the Bruinen and will save Frodo’s day).

Really, it is more an OOC attitude than ICly, despite as it has been pointed out, it is very related to MS/CS, difficult characters so, many times, it is hard to distinguish them.

Divas need to be applauded, IC and OOC, so they tend to play important characters, and surely will expect to be OOC promoted. It is what they need the more, to be constantly told how much they rock and to have people drooling about and praising their posts, be they IC or OOC. For example, many of them write poetry (in sindarin, quenya, whatever) and will put it into their IC posts. It little matters if it has no IC sense. Even if they are in the middle of a battle like the Pelennor Fields, they will do. Their chars will take a halt and will start to sing. And the orcs will stop to listen to them.

Yes, they use to pay little attention to the others’ posts, and those of the admins, they use to be ignored. It is remarkable how much they can figure out they missed them. Or, sometimes, they will argue with the admins endlessly, honestly surprised that someone dared to amend them, since they are right. They are the ones that will amend the admins, because Divas are better, and how, than the admins, mods and even Tolkien himself (how did Tolkien to say –or not to say- this or that? Unacceptable, he surely forgot to mention it).

Sometimes they might brought questions, OOCly, saying that they need to know the reply and to deal about in order to post. They will be odd and hard questions, like “How many cousins does Frodo have, first second and third cousins?”. If they are told that it little matters or to skip that or simply that people around don’t know, they will insist that is basic to know it and then will post the answer as a gift -- and triumph (you never will know if they were right unless you get the fancy to check every book wrote by or about Tolkien).

To deal with them is almost impossible; but if their Divism has no deep roots (for example, if they played in boards were the quality level was, ahem, very low? and yours is high, and they realize it) there might be some hope. A way (the others have been already mentioned) is to try “block” the char ICly, it is very important to keep separate the IC and OOC life, but especially with these Primmadonnas. How to do it? Usually there is always a char keeping a higher position than theirs (lords/ladies, brothers, parents, husbands -- bring a Vala if need be! ;) ). So you can shape the scene and to put the char in its place (then, don’t forget to warn the people, by PM or posting in a restricted forum, of what is going on, because last time I tried to do this I forgot to tell the people and obviously failed :P).

Anyway, if you want to get rid of Divas, the best way is to ignore them. They will leave at once -- remember, if they get no applauses, why would they stay?. They deigned themselves to visit your board and you paid them no attention, so, the board is not a worth place and they will seek for a board where their skills will be appreciated as they deserve.

Argh, I had not expected to write this much! *stops*

Nolen, lecturing as a Diva :(

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