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MonkeeSage
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(4/29/02 6:43 pm)
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Good words from an Old Presbyterian...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

This was their majestic interpretation of the economy of the universe. This was their lofty, and wise, and noble understanding of the justice of the Creator to his creatures. Yes, gentlemen, to all his creatures, to the whole great family of man. In their enlightened belief, nothing stamped with the divine image and likeness was sent into the world to be trodden on, and degraded, and imbruted by its fellows.

They grasped not only the whole race of man then living, but they reached forward and seized upon the farthest posterity. They erected a beacon to guide their children and their children's children, and the countless myriads who should inhabit the earth in other ages.

Wise statesmen as they were, they knew the tendency of prosperity to breed tyrants, and so they established these great self-evident truths, that when in the distant future some man, some faction, some interest, should set up the doctrine that none but rich men, or none but white men, or none but Anglo-Saxons, were entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, their posterity might look up again to the Declaration of Independence, and take courage to renew the battle which their fathers began,--so that truth, and justice, and mercy, and all the humane and Christian virtues might not be extinguished from the land; so that no man hereafter would dare to limit and circumscribe the great principles on which the temple of liberty was being built."

(Abraham Lincoln, in The Life and Public Services of Hon. Abraham Lincoln, of Illinois, and Hon. Hannibal Hamlin, of Maine; _______; (Boston: Thayer a Eldridge) 1860, pp. 296-297).


"It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged.

The prayers of both [North and South, sic] could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh [Matt. 18:7]."

If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him?

Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether [Psa. 19:9]." "

"...With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

(Abraham Lincoln; Second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1865).


-J

S.D.G

AnointedRock
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(7/6/02 2:54 pm)
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Re: Good words from an Old Presbyterian...
People should be told when someone is leading them in the wrong direction.Jesus pointed out the leaders of the time as blind guides.'nuff said.

fleshNblood
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(7/7/02 7:39 am)
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Re: Good words from an Old Presbyterian...
"All men are created equal."

Did you notice?
The founding fathers acknowledged that we were created, not evolved.

While the forces of satan try to remove God from our lives, and from our laws, in the very basis of our culture, the reference to us having a Creator is important.

For us to be created, there must be a Creator.

Glory to God, Peace and Love of Jesus Christ the Messiah to all of you, today and all tomorrows!

~The greatest test of courage on earth is to bear defeat without losing heart.~

AnointedRock
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(7/7/02 12:32 pm)
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What's your point?
No one said we weren't created equal.I said if someone is leading someone in the wrong direction we should tell them.Would you allow a friend or family member follow a cult?If so than you probably don't care where they spend eternity.

fleshNblood
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(7/7/02 5:30 pm)
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Re: What's your point?
Peace be unto you.

I never disagreed with you, I just wanted to point out that even our founding fathers acknowledged that God was our Creator in many different documents.

I do care. But it's not always as easy as 1-2-3.

Telling someone doesn't always work. Sometimes all we can do is plant the seed and pray to God in the name of Jesus to water that seed and allow it to take root.

But, in all things, let God's will be done, not ours.

Pray for Peace!
Praise the name of Jesus!

~The greatest test of courage on earth is to bear defeat without losing heart.~

Edited by: fleshNblood at: 7/10/02 2:36:20 pm
AnointedRock
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(7/9/02 4:56 pm)
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My appologies
I misunderstood what you were trying to say.God bless my brother.

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