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CallMeBabe
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(3/28/02 8:49 pm)
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Jesus was the Word of God,
He (GOD) said BE!

And He (Jesus) was!

MonkeeSage
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(3/28/02 9:09 pm)
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Re: Jesus was the Word of God,
"But since they will have the Two to be but One...it is only right that the whole question respecting the Son should be examined, as to whether He exists, and who He is and the mode of His existence.

Thus shall the truth itself secure its own sanction from the Scriptures, and the interpretations which guard them. There are some who allege that even Genesis opens thus in Hebrew: "In the beginning God made for Himself a Son."

As there is no ground for this, I am led to other arguments derived from God's own dispensation, in which He existed before the creation of the world, up to the generation of the Son.

For before all things God was alone-being in Himself and for Himself universe, and space, and all things. Moreover, He was alone, because there was nothing external to Him but Himself.

Yet even not then was He alone; for He had with Him that which He possessed in Himself, that is to say, His own Reason.

For God is rational, and Reason was first in Him; and so all things were from Himself. This Reason is His own Thought (or Consciousness) which the Greeks call "Logos," by which term we also designate "Word" or "Discourse" and therefore it is now usual with our people, owing to the mere simple interpretation of the term, to say that the Word was in the beginning with God; although it would be more suitable to regard Reason as the more ancient; because God had not Word from the beginning, but He had Reason even before the beginning; because also Word itself consists of Reason, which it thus proves to have been the prior existence as being its own substance.

Not that this distinction is of any practical moment. For although God had not yet sent out His Word, He still had Him within Himself, both in company with and included within His very Reason, as He silently planned and arranged within Himself everything which He was afterwards about to utter through His Word.

Now, whilst He was thus planning and arranging with His own Reason, He was actually causing that to become Word which He was dealing with in the way of Word or Discourse.

And that you may the more readily understand this, consider first of all, from your own self, who are made "in the image and likeness of God," for what purpose it is that you also possess reason in yourself, who are a rational creature, as being not only made by a rational Artificer, but actually animated out of His substance.

Observe, then, that when you are silently conversing with yourself, this very process is carried on within you by your reason, which meets you with a word at every movement of your thought, at every impulse of your conception.

Whatever you think, there is a word; whatever you conceive, there is reason. You must needs speak it in your mind; and while you are speaking, you admit speech as an interlocutor with you, involved in which there is this very reason, whereby, while in thought you are holding converse with your word, you are (by reciprocal action) producing thought by means of that converse with your word.

Thus, in a certain sense, the word is a second person within you, through which in thinking you utter speech, and through which also, (by reciprocity of process, ) in uttering speech you generate thought.

The word is itself a different thing from yourself. Now how much more fully is all this transacted in God, whose image and likeness even you are regarded as being, inasmuch as He has reason within Himself even while He is silent, and involved in that Reason His Word!

I may therefore without rashness first lay this down (as a fixed principle) that even then before the creation of the universe God was not alone, since He had within Himself both Reason, and, inherent in Reason, His Word, which He made second to Himself by agitating it within Himself."
Tertullian, Against Praxeas, Ch. 5. [~A.D. 175]

May God grant you a true understanding of who He is,
Insh'al-MaseeHu 'Easa

-J

S.D.G

Call me babe
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(3/29/02 1:43 am)
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Jesus was the Word of God,
3/45 The angels said, "O Mary, GOD gives you good news: a Word from Him whose name is 'The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me.'


4/171 O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion, and do not say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD, and His word that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him. Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers. You shall not say, "Trinity." You shall refrain from this for your own good. GOD is only one god. Be He glorified; He is much too glorious to have a son. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. GOD suffices as Lord and Master.

MonkeeSage
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(3/29/02 6:06 am)
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Re: Jesus was the Word of God,
"...He is much too glorious to have a son."

The Glory of Almighty God is not known to man at all untill He chooses that it should be revealed to man.

How is it revealed? In words? Yes, in words.

What do we see from this? That God uses words--His Glory is SO great that He can condescend by an act of will to His own rebellious creation, and speak to them--and still be the Glory of all creation, "the bright morning star" (Rev. 22:16).

Is the Glory of God revealed by words alone? No, not only in words, also in deeds which are the fullfillment of the words He has spoken.

What do we see from this? That God's Glory cannot be comprehended by man apart from observing God's relationships to man.

Does, then, the idea of God, as the One Being who exists in three centers of consciousness (or "persons")--three self-conscious relationships within Himself, lessen His Glory?

Not in the least. Because I know that God is a Father, I run to Him for answers and instruction. Because I know that He is a Son, I sing praise, because He knows me, He has become my brother through adoption--He has become the first born so that I would become born a second time from Heaven. Because I know He is a Spirit, I pray to Him in my Spirit, and I rest in Him because He is my Advocate to the Son for me, the Son who sits at the right hand of the Father, to make intercession for me--who died in my place for all of my sins.

Does this view take away from God's Glory? Never!

"After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying, "Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen."" (Rev. 7:9-12 (ESV))

-J

S.D.G

YeshaYahu ch9v6
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(9/6/02 3:22 pm)
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Re: Jesus was the Word of God,
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father ), full of grace and truth." [John 1:1,14 ]

"For the Son of Man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them." (Luke 9:56) The Truth About Islam:

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