Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mathew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Mark 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Acts 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Daaaaa King
iHs Registered User
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(4/2/02 8:04 pm) Reply
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
Hi ya, iHs, sure bro... the question I'm asking is, must man repent of his sins, and is this repentance wholly grated to him by Father from creation 'certain men were predestined to repent.' That would mean there is no way they cannot repent of thier sins... and if not, is 'caused' repentance really true repentance.
What I mean is if Father said these were made from creation to be my Children, and they will repent of all their sins, no ifs ands or buts, the need for repentance would not be a mandate or command, but rather a forced or preordained event, and hardly a calling. See what I mean? IF 'all' that were made to repent will repent, and those that aren't made to repent cannot repent, then repentance is not a calling at all but a will imposed by Father. These are saved and they will repent, and these aren't saved will never repent.
iHs by the way dude, just wondering if the nick iHs has any significance or meaning, just wondering why the cap H in the middle, sometimes its educational to learn of other peoples nicks. Take the nick Didache... in asking him what the significance was like three years ago, clued me into the Didache. Just wondering.
And God bless you to brother
Daaaaa King
iHs Registered User
Posts: 26
(4/3/02 4:04 pm) Reply
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
hehe
I get asked that a lot
no problem broski
iHs
in His service
the pronoun 'His' refers to God, so i capitalize it
i have seen other meanings, from orthodoxy, and i am an episcopalian, but that is why i use it
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
iHs Cool, as I told ya in the chat room, I to do that, in fact, everytime I use h or g and not talking about God I find I have to go back and un-cap all the H's, G's and F's lol
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
"... the question I'm asking is, must man repent of his sins, and is this repentance wholly grated to him by Father from creation 'certain men were predestined to repent.' That would mean there is no way they cannot repent of thier sins... and if not, is 'caused' repentance really true repentance."
""Humans are beings," say the Augustinians, "and beings have a nature; and natures can be classified as either good or evil;" from there they deduce that, "when a human being is placed into situations, desires arise within its heart according to the state of its nature; and the will, with no coercion, chooses a course of action by which it may secure these desires." -Excerpted from my my post on this board entitled: "Theodicy: The Problem of Evil and Apologetics"
Eze 36:26-27 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them. (ASV)
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
Re: I'm done talking to you King. This is my last post to you. It is ridiculous that you will not even contemplate a systematic arrangement of what the Bible has revealed just because it was a man who arranged it. Apollos watered. When you are ready to act like you should, tell me, and I'll speak with you again, until then; be ashamed (2 Thess. 3:14-15).
I assume my dear brother that after reflecting on that statement, you had a change of heart. As I haven't told you I have changed my actions, nor felt one bit of shame... fact, as I stated before, I don't feel I have done anything wrong
Having got that behind us is a relief though... Now the ezek post is toward, and about Israel, to the tribes, telling them that God will chastise them for a time then bring them back. The chastisment is for their failing faith in him. It was about the babylon exile. Though one could equate it to all gentiles as well I would suppose. As that is what he does in them, after repentance of their deeds and turning to him.
Mathew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
(Showing who he is willing to let turn to him, by their own free will.)
Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
(To Israel.)
1 Corinitains 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
(To the Jew.)
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
(To all men every where.)
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinitains 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinitains 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinitains 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
(Clearly showing some where of the lost and now saved. And likewise they were saved and sanctified "after repentance they chose".)
Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
(Again. Were lost. Were evil. Then saved. 'sanctified by faith that is in me.')
1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
(Shows we can lose it.)
1 Corinitains 16:13 Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.
1 Thessalonians 3:5 For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.
(checking up on them to make sure they didn't lose their faith.)
2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
God bless ya!
Daaaaa King
MonkeeSage Registered User
Posts: 102
(4/4/02 11:32 pm) Reply
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
I haven't had a change of heart, you are disfellowshipped in my eyes, untill you act like you should act, being a Christian. You were warned and rebuked about spreading a false report, you wanted to continue to do so and call everything else the opinions of man, so in my eyes you are disfellowshipped untill you act right.
I will continue, though, to point out where you ask questions/make statements that misrepresent or misunderstand Calvinism, by giving the actual view.
This is for the profit of those whom you are confusing, or who may have similar questions based on similar misunderstandings, not to address to you, though I will be glad to fellowship with you again if you can stop spreading a false report.
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
MonkeeSage because one calls a doctrine into question does not mean he is a heretic or not of God... nor because one posts his view of things, does that mean he is spreading false reports... I, like everyone on this message board is free to express my views, that why it was sent up. You have the right to feel I'm not of Christ, because I challenge your views though. I need not, nor seek any mans approval. Second just because I disagree with what others in history say the bible says or means doesn't mean I count them as not of Christ, just that I don't agree with some of the things they believe. You yourself admit that Calvinism is a minority in the Christian faith so obviously I'm not alone in my stance that not all of it is bible bases. NOR did I misrepresent your stance as I saw it, if I was mistake (as you already apologized to me on this, so you agreed.) THIS in no way means that my intention was purposely dishonest, or my actions unchristian. Again though, you have the right to feel this way, that's your free will at work.
Last but not least... There have been no false reports made by me... if so please post them that I may clear them up.
Daaaaa King
MonkeeSage Registered User
Posts: 103
(4/5/02 12:53 am) Reply
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
1) I never said you were not a Christian, and I referenced these verses:
2Th 3:14-15 And if any man obeyeth not our word by this epistle, note that man, that ye have no company with him, to the end that he may be ashamed. And yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
Neither did I say there is anything wrong with questioning a doctrine.
2) It was not because you disagreed with any interpretation that I called you to be accountable to the Bible, as I said:
"...its not a matter of whether you find my position to be satisfactory, its a matter of you saying I believe one thing (that God doesn't use means, thus we can disregard all means, like repentence, faith, preaching, etc.); when I've specifically said that I do not hold that position at all."
3) I've pointed out each misrepresentation along the way; but a brief recap.:
In the forum started by me called "Calvinism," the first page; you state:
"...it show ANY that believe on Him as their savior are saved, not just a select few of the election. By your stance only a certain few from the foundation of existence are saved by the elect calling of God and the rest head for hell. Clavinism believes in a hell and if the elect are saved and no way can lose that salvation then the only souls in hell by calvinism views must be those that were not chosen as the election."
"...what's it matter if you know them or they even hear the word, they are sealed already and are of the election and saved, they need not hear the preaching of the good news of salvation by the redeption of the blood of Christ, why they're already saved.)"
""#3 it is the method God has chosen bring salvation to the nations "it pleased God by the foolishness for preaching to save those who believe."
(AGAIN no need, they are already saved by election, they can't help but believe.)"
In the same forum and page, in a different post you said:
"...Yor acting like God didn't get the word right to the english speaking masses... as if one can't understand the bible unless he knows greek and herbrew..."
"...you let man teach you, not the word and you think one has to be learned by man to understand the bible..."
On the second page of the same forum you say:
"...if Calvin was right there would be no need for repentance in the first place. Its a done deal."
"Now the means to sanctification would have been a done deal at irrevocable predestination. How could it not be, anything else would have just been a formality."
"(It's not a misrepresentation, you admit the outcome is the same. He in the end burns in hell, and God left him no way out of burning in hell.)"
"(Heh by your take buddy, he came to die for sinners, and if he did that, and its irrevocable all sinners are saved. And all those not saved are not sinners..."
In Angelle's forum called "Calvinism," in your post called " Re: The Salvation Door" the whole thing is a misrepresentation, especially this part:
"Now some men like Spurgeon, Dabney and others, though they would protest the way the above might be stated, when all is said in done admit that the outcome is the same."
Considering you've never read Dabney's Systematic Theology, or Spurgeon at any length, you should be ashamed of yourself saying they would agree to the abominable system you set up as a charicature of Calvinism, which they never would have agreed to and have both specifically declared is a misrepresentation--they would not, in any way shape or form, have agreed that "the outcome is the same" (Cf. "Theodicy: The Problem of Evil and Apologetics," quoting Charles Hodge on fatalism).
These are the main points, though others have been implicit (e.g., that the questions are just too hard to answer, that I'm mad 'cause anyone would have the gall to disagree with me, etc. etc.).
I stated my rules of discussion:
"Firstly, if anyone has a disputation or question about any other position, in any area--especially in religous matters--they should be sure to not make blind assumptions, and not to misrepresent the position they are disputing or inquiring about.
This rule is dictated by honesty. It is simply dishonest and unfair to anyone to misrepresent them (whether it is on purpose or not, thus no blind assumptions!).
Next, if you want to use someone's name (e.g., Calvin), in a presentation or rhetorical question, then you should be able to give definite examples of where that person put fowards that point of view in their own writings--in other words, don't go on hear-say, or you will invariably end up in misrepresentation, which amounts to dishonesty."
You failed to meet them, I called you on it, and you refuse to be accountable, so now I'm following the Biblical example and not speaking with you until you are able to meet those rules.
I think of you as a brother in Christ, and that is why I am even bothered by all of this, if it was an atheist who was misrepresenting my position and telling me that my view means God likes sending people to hell, I wouldn't be suprised, I'd shrug it off and wipe the dust from my shoes; but when a brother in Christ is telling me things like that, you better believe I'm going to take them to task by the Word (do not spread a false report), and would expect the same thing done for me.
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
In the forum started by me called "Calvinism," the first page; you state:
"...it show ANY that believe on Him as their savior are saved, not just a select few of the election. By your stance only a certain few from the foundation of existence are saved by the elect calling of God and the rest head for hell. Clavinism believes in a hell and if the elect are saved and no way can lose that salvation then the only souls in hell by calvinism views must be those that were not chosen as the election." <------- (So then its not your stance that, there is no pre-elect and everyone has a chance to receive the love and grace of God? Or Calvinism doesn't believe in hell? Or some souls in hell will be the elect? Sorry, I thought you believed some where of the election and they can't lose their salvation, and all those in hell will not be the elect... my bad... So then what? Some of the election can go to hell, and some of those in hell could have been saved even though they aren't the elect?)
"...what's it matter if you know them or they even hear the word, they are sealed already and are of the election and saved, they need not hear the preaching of the good news of salvation by the redemption of the blood of Christ, why they're already saved.)"
(Well that's a question. Not me telling you how you see it. I forgot the question mark. So my error. Please forgive me. but I did write... what's it matter if... a question. )
"...Yor acting like God didn't get the word right to the english speaking masses... as if one can't understand the bible unless he knows greek and herbrew..."
(Well that was over the 'all' doesn't mean 'all' deal, we gonna hash this one out again. lol. I think 'all' in these verses mean 'all' you posted where Gill and others said it means less then 'all' Even though you admitted it could be interpreted both ways. I say 'all' means 'all' in these verses, thats okay right, not to agree with you?)
2 Corinitains 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
(To me that all means all.)
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
(To me that all means all.)
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
(To me that all means all.)
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
(To me that all means all.)
1 Corinitains 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
(To me that all means all.)
(And that world doesn't mean world here? To me it does though, again sorry but it does.)
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
(And that every man, doesn't mean every man here. Again sorry but it does to me)
John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
(And that any, doesn't mean any here?)
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
(I simply 'as' many millions before me, read english and believe that God in all his majesty and might is able to get me His word in english for the most part. I have asked you more then once over the years if you felt the KJV is comparable to the greek and you said yes, and it was the version you yourself used in many a debate. And for the most part these verses are the same in other translations as well.)
"...if Calvin was right there would be no need for repentance in the first place. Its a done deal." <---- (My opinion, you express yours I can't I mine. No matter what it is? Thats not me speaking for him or you but me)
"Now the means to sanctification would have been a done deal at irrevocable predestination. How could it not be, anything else would have just been a formality." <----(Again. My opinion, you express yours, I can't I mine. No matter what it is?)
"It's not a misrepresentation, you admit the outcome is the same. He in the end burns in hell, and God left him no way out of burning in hell." <-----(I'm telling you its not one there, I'm saying in my view its not a misrepresentation, by calvinism views ALL that burn in hell are their because they are not of the elect and their was no way for them to be saved. Or am I wrong MonkeeSage. The way I understand calvinism, the elect cannot go to hell, and the ones that burn in hell had no chance to repent, they couldn't receive the love, grace and salvation of Christ no matter what. So MonkeeSage set me straight bro, perhaps I do have it wrong. Can the elect burn in hell. And the ones that burn in hell, they could have repented and recieved savlation by Christ? If not, how is it a misrepresentation.)
[ 1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."] <--- (my post.)
(your reply) I'm suprised you would quote it though (??!!?)...how can you make any type of sense out of it:
Did Christ come to *actually* save sinners, or only to make it possible? the text says nothing about possibility or granting choice, etc.
If He came to *actually* save sinners, did He fail?--not all are saved: or, did He perhaps die for only a certain number who are actually saved (scope-limited atonement)?
(Heh by your take buddy, he came to die for sinners, and if he did that, and its irrevocable all sinners are saved. And all those not saved are not sinners. I win that one big time) <---- (Me.)
(What I meant by that is, you say you love that verse. Now if Jesus came to save the sinner, and Paul was one and saved. 'Showing that sinners can be saved.' Then either Christ saved all he came to save "sinners" and there will not be a sinner in hell, or Christ came to save sinners, and only some that he came to save heeded the call. That or all sinners are not saved and then Paul wouldn't be either for he calls himself claimed he was a sinner. By your view, if all sinners aren't saved, whom Christ came to save, then Christ failed "right?" That or He saved all He died for. I say He came to save sinners 'sinners means all that have sinned before repenting to me' and that some, heard the word and rejected the Grace of Christ, because the loved darkness more then light, and it is their fault and not the fault of Christ or God.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: ... (and there's one of many verses to back my stance up, those that perish, are without excuse, they new God and they rejected him, and no fault unto God or Christ.)
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
(Again showing cause, a reason for his action.)
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
(Show they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, not that they couldn't. So He gave them over to a reprobate mind.)
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
(Showing that they knew the deal, and understood it, but rejected it.)
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
(Again, showing that they could be saved and rejected that salvation so there was a cause for him to damn them, they heard the truth, and knew the score, and rejected it of their own free will. So God took action.)
In Angelle's forum called "Calvinism," in your post called " Re: The Salvation Door" the whole thing is a misrepresentation, especially this part: <--- you
Angelle Here is what Calvinism means to some non-Calvinsims:!!!!!!!!! <------- (MonkeeSage, read that, NON-Calvinsims, and since I am Non-Calvinistic and that's my view, it couldn't be a misrepresentation lol. It is also the view of others. You jumped the gun on that one big time )
"Now some men like Spurgeon, Dabney and others, though they would protest the way the above might be stated, when all is said in done admit that the outcome is the same."
Considering you've never read Dabney's Systematic Theology, or Spurgeon at any length, you should be ashamed of yourself saying they would agree to the abominable system you set up as a charicature of Calvinism, which they never would have agreed to and have both specifically declared is a misrepresentation--they would not, in any way shape or form, have agreed that "the outcome is the same" (Cf. "Theodicy: The Problem of Evil and Apologetics," quoting Charles Hodge on fatalism).
(Okay, so then they don't believe the non-calvinism view on Calvinism, and the end outcome isn't the same, all Election aren't saved lol have it your way bro, and the elect cannot lose their salvation and all those that will be in hell could have been in heaven. )
(Because I don't read what you read I should be ashamed, I have to read the full extent to understand their beliefs... do I have to read everything Armstrong wrote to know what his beliefs are, and everything the watchtower writes to know the Jw's belief, and Ellen White? Darby and Spurgeon Didn't believe that the elect are saved from creation, and cannot lose that salvation? Mine and other non-calvinistic's view of Calvinism is that, The elect were chosen before pre-creation, and they in no way can lose their salvation, that that those in hell, could not have ended up anywhere else but hell... the out come isn't the same? Darby, Spurgeon and calvinist don't agree with our assessment of that view of Calvinism?
God bless ya MonkeeSage and I hope now that I explained all this you understand better that I in no intention was speaking for myself or what I believe others are trying to convey
Daaaaa King
MonkeeSage Registered User
Posts: 110
(4/5/02 9:02 am) Reply
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
Just stop trying to justify your sin and repent, you're only getting worse with every post. :(
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
LOL... sure MonkeeSage, now because I see things different then you I sin, because I don't see it as you do, I'm sinning... I show'd you that half some of them post were MY thoughts on calvinisn, infact I said it at the very top of the page... second it wasn't me doing the insulting... These aren't my words... and this is just some of it!!
And again, you act like God owes Grace. Some poor suckers?
Then, frankly, you're being obstinate.
Plus, now you are being intentionally DISHONEST, which is totally unChristian.
So for you to keep saying "there's no need" is a pile of horse turd.
I haven't insulted you, not intentionally at least. If I did so inadvertently, I apologize. And I also did not call your question unChristian, I called your intentional misrepresentation of my position ("...if Calvin was right there would be no need for repentance in the first place. Its a done deal.") dishonest--which it was, and is, as you know in your heart, thus not a Christian way of acting.
[("...if Calvin was right there would be no need for repentance in the first place. Its a done deal.") <----- was my thoughts not yours, so that in itself, shows you are misunderstood, second you aplolgize for doing something then turn right back around and do it in the same post lol ]
I called your intentional misrepresentation of my position ("...if Calvin was right there would be no need for repentance in the first place. Its a done deal.") dishonest--which it was,
as you know in your heart... (you know my heart, and what I believe huh?)
I am interpreting it by the context. You likewise are free to force a faulty methodology onto the text, but I don't see any other way of rendering legitimately it.
(Seesshh see because I don't agree with you I'm forcing faulty methodology.)
OK, I believe you. I do not see how you have misunderstood my position so badly, but I believe you if you say it wasn't intentional, and I apologize (with the forum as my witness) for claiming that it was intentional. I'm sorry.
(Yet you keep saying it over and over.)
If, perhaps, you set aside (your pride in) thinking you have greater spiritual insight than anyone who has ever lived,
(I don't even know where that came from, but it assumes I am pride full, and think I am above all others?)
I hope now, as before we can get this behind us... perhaps not, we shall see.
Daaaaa King
MonkeeSage Registered User
Posts: 112
(4/5/02 11:06 am) Reply
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
Repent.
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
lol... repeat... good one... well MonkeeSage, tell ya what... in the name and sake of the name of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I wish to put this silliness" behind us... sooooo MonkeeSage, if you think I have offend you in anyway, I'm sorry, and as i showed my intent was not to purposely misrepresent you in anyway. If I have in yours eyes, I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.
Daaaaa King
MonkeeSage Registered User
Posts: 116
(4/6/02 1:03 am) Reply
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
I do forgive you, but you kept doing after it was pointed out and have not shown any signs of stopping. Your last post was still doing it. You tried to justify breaking God's law by loaded questions, etc.
Exodus 23:1 "You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.
I'm holding you accountable to that. Of course, I'm not your judge, God is; but his Word is my straight-edge and you were being crooked, so I'm following the Biblical example and desfellowshipping with you.
Anyone can say "Oh, it looks this this to me...." but that is just a cop-out to be able to spread a false report. I could say "Arminianism looks to non-Arminians like they believe that `God is an imperfect, created, retard who has mental problems' and Arminians agree with the results, if not that exact statement." But that is dishonest and spreading a false report, its a lie, meant to deceive, wearing the mask of "My opinion is..."
If I see you representing Calvinism honestly, then I will gladly fellowship with you again; as long as you keep up the caricatures and misrepresentations I will not.
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PaperCup Registered User
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(4/7/02 7:48 pm) Reply
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Monkeesage, sorry for butting in this open topic, but KingJehu is far from being wicked, he who is without sin cast the first stone ....
it is so easy to twist scripture to make someone out to be a bad guy, first off, there is many denominations, including calvism ... to defellowship with a christian based on particular views is stupid and dumb, however it is your choice.
im not here tring to degrade you, and you do have your views, but i see no reason to cause malice between the you and King simple becasue your arguments arnt not agreeable.
Accepting Christ is our salvation, and doing the works of Faith maintains that salvation.
Defellowshiping and calling KingJehu wicked form your scripture post.
Exodus 23:1 "You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.
is like the jews say jesus was of the devil.
You see we are not getting anywhere here, and satan is winning the defellowshiping Goal.
Monkeesage, good luck friend !
PaperCup
MonkeeSage Registered User
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(4/7/02 7:57 pm) Reply
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"he who is without sin cast the first stone...to defellowship with a christian based on particular views is stupid and dumb"
Who is casting stones?
"...see no reason to cause malice between the you and King simple becasue your arguments arnt not agreeable."
I don't have any malice towards Jehu, and I am sure not disturbed because he disagrees, as I have stated many times in other posts.
"Defellowshiping and calling KingJehu wicked form your scripture post."
I didn't call Jehu wicked. He was (and as far as I know) still is sinning againt one of God's commandments. I do it also, but not on purpose, after it has been pointed out. If I did, I would expect to be disfellowshipped, as that is the Biblical way of doing things.
"...is like the jews say jesus was of the devil."
Holding people accountable to the Scripture is like the Jews denying the Scripture by saying Jesus had a devill.....don't follow you on that one.
Please visit the new message board where no one will be banned and no posts will be deleted, if you want to continue this conversation.
PaperCup Registered User
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(4/7/02 8:31 pm) Reply
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Monkeesage, thanks for the invite. and i will take a look
However, let me point this out, ok, let me see if i can say this right ...
first off, lets say you point out scripture to me, and that i am going against that scripture, now you pointed it out as an example, but yet it doesnt fully sink in me, and i still continue to do that particular thing, will you stop being my friend and defellowship with me becasue i still disagree with you or even scripture.
I have a lot and i mean a lot of issues that i dont agree with in scripture, however i do still maintain the acceptance of christ as my savior, and i still practice the works of faith, but i do not agree with everything i read in the bible.
We all sin, and thats a fact, but we all have the same goal, and thats jesus christ as our salvation.
I, myself have a particular sin i do all the time, and it is pointed out to me constantly, but i cant seem to think any other way, other than my own view, should i be shunned by my christian brothers simply becasue i dont heed the warnings ??
and i must point out also, we are not living in the olden days, so things and behaviors are a bit different than it was back then, well, i take that back, they are still thrown stones in Israel, but i wont go there
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I WILL!!
I will go there... first off and for most... i use to watch the kids throw the rocks at the Israeli soldier, and they fired the rubber bullets back into the crowed every now and again, but by far were pushed back. I always though if this was the case... first off where the heck are these kids parents, or guardians, unless it was there moms and dads beside them throwing rocks too?... that they could do these things, second why the heck the Israeli soldiers didn't pick the rocks up and throw them back... what with David in their heritage and such, "you would have thought that would have been a clue" To bad it has come to this, and gone from rock throwing, to killing over religions.
After being video taped tell others she would do this, a 17 year old girl strapped a bomb on her body, and blew herself and others up, in the name of religion and freedom... was she one of them little kids that use to throw rocks I wonder... and did grown ups know it then, and do nothing... was this girl enticed all her life to hate, did adults know this?, that she was going to her death?, or give the girl the explosives... is this 17 year old girl to be found in fault... did she really know about Jesus? Really? Will she burn in hell?
The peasant man that never harmed a soul in china in 40 ad, and never heard of Christ... a fair man, pure to his family and friends needs, a man that had no man as an enemy... will he burn in hell?
To bad it has come to this in Israel... and the world... they should just have a great big rock fight... todays news was no better then yesterdays there...
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