SDA
We all know the claim... Sunday or any other day for that matter, other then the Jewish Sabbath is not the proper day to gather to worship God... They claim one should worship Christ everyday, but the main appointed time MUST be on the sabbath... yet I can get it out of them, how they come to this belief... I would like their view... but alass, they have all turned down my invite to go on the record... anyone know one, send him this way!!!
Re: SDA
What I meant was that, by worshipping 24/7, then we do worship during their scheduled time.
Therefore, they have no basis for any condemnation.
Besides, our worship schedule is between ourselves and God.
Do they have the "right"? I would ask them to provide scripture to back up their claim, but the 24/7 response should cover any claim they make.
Peace and goodwill, in the name of Jesus!
MonkeeSage Registered User
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(4/25/02 9:04 pm) Reply
Re: SDA
Col. 2:13-23 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; *but they are of no value in checking the indulgence of the flesh. (KJV)
*(RSV)
I agree fleshnblood, keeping the sabbath as a single day is a matter of Christian conscience and liberty. I am of the opinion that keeping one day out of every seven as a day of rest is good because of pragmatic purposes, God seems to have set us up so that once a week we just need a break from the pace things...for me I find that is the case, anyways. But I also think that congregational (i.e., in a building or house) gathering with a Biblical structured leadership is important in our lives a Christians (according to the Bible), and so in one sense, the sabbath is a good day, as that is the day most Churches meet, but I would see no reason to look down on gathering any day of the week at any time, in the name of Jesus. :)
The problem most of the time is that some people can't respect matters of Christian liberty and want to dogmatize there. (It is interesting that the same people will then claim that God judges relatively with every culture depending on "how much light they have"! Take about non-dogmatic, you can be a Buddhist who never heard of Christ and go to heaven! Kinda backwards...se la vi).
Re: SDA
I have asked several SDA on dalnet to look at this message board and answer the questions if they can... Now assuming they didn't lie when they said they came and read it... I persume they just couldn't answer... PEOPLE if your not willing to answer questions on your doctrine... or can't... then take a hard look at your doctrine... second... just because Mommy and Daddy are/were SDA, Mormon, JW, Baptist, Catholic, Calvinist, Methodist, Pentecostal, COG, COC, Presbyterian, Lutheran or any other church within the Body of Christ... doesn't mean you are excused from studying the scriptures to see if that doctrine they hold as true is indeed truth...
pateaton
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(5/29/02 9:43 am) Reply
SDA
Back in the days when the WTS was known as the International Bible Students, it was believed that Saturday was the correct day for Sabbath observances.
In Rev. 1.10 When John wrote about having a special time of fellowship in the spirit on the 'Lord's Day', he was referring to the Sabbath.
What happened was, in the Roman Empire, Saturaday was a working day, whereas the 'Day of the Sun' was a holy day when all work had to cease. Jews were excepted from this law - but not Christians. But Paul didn't push the Sabbath at the Gentile Christians. Instead wrote:
When you meet on the first day of the week, put aside according to what God has prospered you..."
Our view now is, while Sunday is merely the first day of the week, it offers an excellent oportuity for congrgational worship and study of the word. After which we can go out into the neighborhood and share with people what we have learned that morning.
Re: SDA
Yes but as you know the SDA wish some to believe that Saturday is the only poper day to come together for main assembly, in fact many believe that if your not worshipping in saturday with them... your not even saved... and have had many tell me this very thing.
Re: SDA
Tis amazing isn't it, how many different denominations are willing to push their doctrine instead of Christ's... nothing more then the word of God come true... we were warned
Optimus
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(9/14/02 12:05 pm) Reply
Re: The Sabbath and Romans 14
Thank you for inviting me to post my answer to your objection on the seventh-day Sabbath based on the case of Romans 14. I have instead decided to post my reply at my forum known as:"Inqusitive Fellow Christians/Answers to Objections. I gave my reasons why. All this talk about about Seventh-day Adventists condemning other Christians regarding Sunday observance or any other doctrine is sheer nonsense. We're not in the business of condemning people but of warning and winning them to our side of the issues involved. Only God has the ultimate right to judge and condemn. The accuser of our brethren is very much indeed at work! To answer your's or anyone else's questions or objections to Seventh-day Adventist teachings, please go to: pub20.ezboard.com/finquis...oobjectios and post your concerns in any of the topics that you're interested in. Please be sure to read all my posts at the Message From The Adminstrator message board before proceeding. It is my desire to clarify any misconceptions or misunderstandings concerning the Seventh-day Adventist Church which is one of the fastest growing Christian denominations in the world. May God convict and convince you or any one else of the present truth for these last days is my prayer. Yours in the blessed hope, FDNichol Executive Administrator Inquisitive Fellow Christians ANSWERS TO OBJECTIONS
FDNichol Registered User
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(9/14/02 12:43 pm) Reply
Re: The Sabbath and Romans 14
Please disregard my previous post. I should have proofread it carefully but didn't. First of all, thank you for inviting me to post my answer to your objection on the seventh-day Sabbath based on the case of Romans 14. I have instead decided to post my reply at my ezboard.com forum known as:"Inqusitive Fellow Christians/Answers to Objections. I gave my reasons why. All this talk about Seventh-day Adventists condemning other Christians regarding Sunday observance or any other doctrine is sheer nonsense. We're not in the business of condemning people but of warning and winning them to our side of the issues involved. Only God has the ultimate right to judge and condemn. The accuser of our brethren is very much indeed at work! To answer your's or anyone else's questions or objections to Seventh-day Adventist teachings, please go to: pub20.ezboard.com/finquisitive fellowchristiansanswerstoobjections and post your concerns in any of the topics that you're interested in. Please be sure to read all my posts at the Message From The Administrator message board before proceeding. It is my heartfelt desire to clarify any misconceptions or misunderstandings concerning the Seventh-day Adventist Church which is one of the fastest growing Christian denominations in the world. May God persuade and convince you or any one else of the present truth for these last days is my prayer. Yours in the blessed hope, FDNichol, Executive Administrator, Inquisitive Fellow Christians, ANSWERS TO OBJECTIONS
FDNichol Registered User
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(9/14/02 4:08 pm) Reply
Re: The Sabbath and Romans 14
In typing the URL to the ANSWERS TO OBJECTIONS forum, please be sure to type www. before the rest of the address. I am looking forward to interesting discussions with each and every one of you about Seventh-day Adventist teachings. Yours in the blessed hope, FDNichol
KingJehu
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(9/15/02 10:12 pm) Reply
SDA
That simply isnt true. MANY people that follow White and her teachings come right and and say... do just that, coming right out and saying if you hold sunday as your main day of worship, you are damned to hell. Now though this isn't the doctrine of your church, because no church is going to included that in their doctrine, it is the doctrine of most SDA.
The WatchTower doesnt come out and say your doomed if not a member of the Kingdom Hall.. but most of the members have no problem saying it... Same with LDS...
At least the RCC makes no bones about it, their doctrine shows and says you must be a member of it... thing is most catholics deny this... well until I show them their church doctrine.
SDA members do indeed teach one must be of their church and even teach one must abstain from meats as well. As for going to another message board... I see no reason to, as I barely find the time to get here... but thats for the invite.
Re: SDA
I have no idea what is the path that I took to arrive here, but I am...
I would like to say first that all those letters that you're using are confusing me. I have no idea what is LDS or RCC...
I do know what SDA means however because I have been one for 16 years now. And I just wanted to say that I have never heard anybody in my church saying that you need to be in the church to be saved. We all know that some people in the church won't be and some outside will be.
And as for the meat thing, yes we teach the health laws, but I'm not a vegetarian and I'm SDA. What does that tell you? Nobody in the church ever told me I wouldn't be saved for that!
And about Sabbath now. First, I'm not a big doctrinal girl, so I will explain it the way I see it: simple. And you can feel free to ask questions, but I don't think I will answer them because I don't think I'll be back here...
To whoever said that worshipping God is a 24/7 thing is absolutely right. We must devote ourselves to him everyday. But God knows how busy we can be and how sometimes we forget him because of all the things that are going on in our lives and he loves us so much that he wanted to spend a whole day with us. He wants us to stop everything we are doing to spend 24 hours with him to rejoice with him and praise him and resources ourselves for the next week. That is why he created the Sabbath. And the Sabbath is also a memorial of the creation. God is my creator. He loved me enough to create me and he made the Sabbath to celebrate his creation which I'm part of. He wants us to not forget that, because if we forget that, well we forget the most important thing about God: He is the creator, we are his creatures. The reason why we owe him everything. That's why it says in the 10 commandments: "REMEMBER the sabbath day... For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
I hoped it help someone...
have a nice day!
*Hélène*
Voici mon secret. Il est très simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux. C'est le temps que tu as perdu pour ta rose qui fait ta rose si importante.
There was a boy A very strange enchanted boy They say he wandered very far Over land and sea A little shy and sad of eye But very wise was he And then one day One magic day he passed my way And while we spoke of many things Fools and kings This he said to me: "The greatest thing you'll ever learn
Is just to love and be loved in return"
FDNichol Registered User
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(9/16/02 5:54 pm) Reply
Warning Versus Condemnation
No one has a right or the authority to condemn anyone. Remember I stated previously, that Seventh-day Adventists WARN people of the impending wrath of God which we believe is imminent, they do not condemn. God condemns and punishes the world because its cup of iniquity is full and because He is the perfect Judge. ( see Revelation 18:2-6 ) There's a big difference between warning people and condemning them. As I stated it before, I state it again; God alone has the ultimate right to condemn. A true Christian who really believes in the end-time prophecies of the Bible recognizes that it's his or her responsibility to warn the world of the coming wrath of God because of its continuing disobedience to His commandments. Our only hope of rescue is in His Son, Jesus Christ. Yours in the blessed hope, FDNichol
KingJehu
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(9/16/02 10:03 pm) Reply
Meatssssssss
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
Angel do you see that, it clearly warns me of those that come and tell me to abstain from meats, to me the SDA are no more then the word of God come true.
Acts 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Angel I don't need man to tell me what that means, use the spirit.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Clearly there and in other places it shows that one should seek the word and the spirit, now the word already warned of people coming and telling me to abstain from meats... and here you are
KJV Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
As out Lord so elegantly put it, its not what one takes in that defiles him, but what one gives out... Jesus is above any diet or laws, if your heart is right with Him you can eat a viper and it not defile you. We are above the law when with Christ.
These are just a few of the verses that show, CHRIST is above all and cleans all...
1 Corinitains 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
Will get to the sabbath part and the post by the other guys in the morrow... blessings KingJehu
FDNichol Registered User
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(9/17/02 4:22 pm) Reply
Meatssssssss
For your information, I've already posted my answer to the case of 1 Timothy 4:3-5 at the ANSWERS TO OBJECTIONS forum concerning Seventh-day Adventists and their relationship to the issue of meats. As for Acts 10:9-16, I'll be willing to post an answer if anyone would dare to post a question or objection at my forum at ezboard.com as given in a previous post right here. The same goes for Colossians 2:16. I am well prepared to defend "the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints" -Jude 3 New American Standard Bible, Updated Edition. Here is the URL again to ANSWERS TO OBJECTIONS: www.pub20.ezboard.com/finquisitivefellowchristiansanswerstoobjections. I like to invite anyone who thinks he or she has a Biblical objection to a specific teaching of Seventh-day Adventists to come over and post their concerns or allegations. I love to show you where in the Bible the Adventists are correct! While I don't believe we have the absolute truth, I am candid enough to admit where in some cases we might have made some honest mistakes in our understanding of God's Word. There are other Adventists who are willing to admit that as well. But I am fully convinced that we as Adventists are on the right path in progressing toward the whole truth. Until then, may God bless you in your search for truth! Yours in the blessed hope, FDNichol, Executive Administrator, Inquisitive Fellow Christians, ANSWERS TO OBJECTIONS
Quote: Clearly there and in other places it shows that one should seek the word and the spirit, now the word already warned of people coming and telling me to abstain from meats... and here you are
ok, did I miss something here? When you say "and here you are", are you talking about me? Are you implying that I came here to tell you to not eat meat and for condemning you if you don't?
Well, if you do, I really don't think that you read my post right... When did I condemn you of anything??? When did I tell you that you must not eat meat??? If you read my post well, you can see that I said I EAT meat, so how could I condemn someone of doing something I do myself???
*Hélène*
Voici mon secret. Il est très simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux. C'est le temps que tu as perdu pour ta rose qui fait ta rose si importante.
There was a boy A very strange enchanted boy They say he wandered very far Over land and sea A little shy and sad of eye But very wise was he And then one day One magic day he passed my way And while we spoke of many things Fools and kings This he said to me: "The greatest thing you'll ever learn
Is just to love and be loved in return"
KingJehu
Unregistered User
(9/21/02 12:37 am) Reply
yes we teach the health laws,
yes we teach the health laws,<<<< I took that to mean your part of a church that teaches to not eat pork, and certain other foods because they are unclean... as does some from the SDA body.
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*Hélène*
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