He has upped the price. O'le Saddam, its 25,000 to every suicide bombers family... some (Muslims) videotaped a 17 year old girl, who said she was going to blow her and others up, then they put down the camera and I assume strapped the bomb on her, (17 year old girls dont have explosives laying around the house, even in Palistien.) Then sent her on her merry way to her death.
That is pure evil and anyone that says it isn't is pure evil in my opinion.
Next it is cowardly and I can't see how anyone would align themselves with such cowardly men, that send a 17 year old girl to fight their battles for them. They should have strapped the bomb onto themselves if they were any kind of a man. AND it is now being fueled by money!
HOW holy a war is it when one of your motives is to cash in on the deal?
Macho Man
Nice try in trying to insult the arab male ego. That went out the window when the 'fighters of democracy' ( I should say apartheid) killed children indiscriminately.
Re: Macho Man
What should we do? Simple!
As born-again Christians, we should pray for God's will to be done, and that He show His Love and Mercy upon those who haven't yet found Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
To delight in the death of an unsaved person is wrong, IMHO.
Re: Macho Man
palestinians in exchange for this prime land were granted desert as compensation <------- NOT hard to do I'm sure... BUT what the heck has that got to do with the question LOL????
Re: Macho Man
Well not sure Christ would approve of that one... but I do understand your weariness of this conflict... in truth it has been going on since 1948... just this conflict alone...
Re: Macho Man
How about this. The Israelis should always have a pig with them, on buses, in dance halls, anywhere the terrorists might attack.
That way, if the terrorist dies around a pig, then their religion says they don't get into heaven.
That might make them stop. LOL
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yaali110
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(6/12/02 11:08 am) Reply
What do u mean ?????
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Asalamoalikum!
I dont where did Fleshnblood hear that theory ?
Please quote a reference or stop making fun of someone based on your own theories
We dont like terrorists either, be them muslims (so-called) or not!
So far, all the terrorists are Muslims. And if it's true that they won't go to heaven if they die with a pig, then why not use pigs to stop them?
Are you saying that if a Muslim dies with a pig by them, that they will go to heaven?
Will they get to heaven if they die by killing themself and other innocent people?
In Christianity, killing themself and others is a one-way trip to hell.
Christianity preaches love and peace, and turning the other cheek.
Say, tell me about how Allah made blacks, then took the evil out of them and used it to make whites. I love this one. LOL
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yaali110
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(6/13/02 10:00 am) Reply
so far ?
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Asalamoalikum!
QUOTE: "Are you saying that if a Muslim dies with a pig by them, that they will go to heaven?"
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Please, DO NOT rephrase my question. It's you who said that if they die with a pig they dont go to heaven. All I am asking is a reference that you must quote. Further more, if you kill innocents you do not go to heaven...this is what islam says. The suggestion of fleshnblood to carry a pig is VERY childish.
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QUOTE: "Christianity preaches love and peace, and turning the other cheek."
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This comment was irrelevant with respect to the discussion going on. Neither the palestinans nor the israelis and not even americans are wiling to do that when it comes to them.
Turning the other cheek might be relevant in a discussion that's not talking about how to counteract terrorism.
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QUOTE: "So far, all the terrorists are Muslims."
Not true. And again it's so childish to say that carry a pig to avoid any muslim. That means any muslim wont get near to you cuz be him a terrorist or not, a muslim won't touch a pig. What is the point ? Make PIGS your friends ? Is that what you saying? If you want to break contact with muslims you ask pigs for your help! that's a fallacy, i know. But this happens when you rephrase someone's comments!
I'd say that a "true terrorist" has a filthy mind and is not a true follower of any religion. Be it pigs, police, guns or bad consciense...nothing would stop him.
Anything strong enough to stop them would be the FEAR OF ALLAH/GOD ! thats precisely what the terrorists lack...not muslims, not christians, not jews or anyone...but terrorists lack this.
I heard on a television news show that Muslims believe they won't go to heaven if they are buried with pigs.
Is that true?
Turning the other cheek is always a valid point, especially when discussing how to react in today's world.
Can you imagine Arafat turning the other cheek? Yeah, right!
And, when I say that so far ALL the terrorists are Muslims, I AM CORRECT!
I can't help it if there appears to be more than one version of Islam, one that is about peace, and one that the Arab countries are following when dealing with Israel.
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yaali110
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(6/14/02 9:36 pm) Reply
He ha!
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Asalmaolikum!
Hey bro, what u trying to say, No proofs, no reference, just claims ?
About ur question if someone dies with pig ?? I dont know any point in it. What I know is that at a point Quran says that Allah makes sure that the righteous people die in "tahir" condition that is when their soul, their body and their mind is pure, not "najis". Anybody can otherwise kill a muslim even a muslim himself can kill his rival muslim in a way that the killed one is not in a clean condition bodily, does that refute Quranic claim ? No, cuz not body but the acts matter, our thoughts are our actions to be done. Touching a pig is unclean for muslim and so is if he drinks alcohol..... both are as unclean as another. '
And as your question, if a muslim is buried with pig ??
Yeah! in that case he WILL NOT go to heaven PROVIDED he himself made a will or anything like that that he should be buried like that. But if he is buried forcefully, God is all-knowing. And let me make this clear that personally, i don't think ANYONE is destined to go str8 to heaven except for whom Allah wishes.
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QUOTE: "Can you imagine Arafat turning the other cheek? Yeah, right!"
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Can you imagine Sharon turning the other cheek ? Yeah, right!
Can you imagine G. Bush turning the other cheek? Yeah, right!
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QUOTE: "And, when I say that so far ALL the terrorists are Muslims, I AM CORRECT!"
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Any proofs, references. Sharon is a terrorist, not muslim.
Soverign america is another terrorist organization.
Please make the correction! Brother, just watch any movie that was released before and even after Sep 11/ 02. There were about muslims but not all. Many were on non-muslim terrorists. Seen Bad Company ? Passenger 45 (or something like that), Collateral Damage, Arlington Road, Die Hard series and The Rock etc. (and these are just a few but ALL american movies, so even the ideas and mind behind these movies are only U.S. let alone be the other countries, who may and do have other views also).
Even in the very popular video games, they enlist some terrorist org. ....games like SWAT III elite; CIA solo operation; and Tactical Op etc.
I hope you will not hesitate to make the correction. Thank you!
Re: He ha!
Well the movies reflect the actions of reality... we dont have problems with Hindu terrorist of Buddist or Jewish... its muslims that do the hijackings... it was muslims that did the terrorist attack on the Olympics in 72 or what ever year it was. It was Muslims that ddi the attack on the USS COLE. Etc. etc. etc. Hollywood tries to use believable scripts... If it portrayed Buddhist as doing all the terror most people would say, hey that's not very believable, there are not many Buddhist terrorist groups around. Movies portray most of the cocaine grows as Colombians... guess why?
Its not right to say that all hijacking etc are done by muslims as KJ christian said in his last post.
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Movies reflect reality.
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Yeah! we must not limit ourselves to Hollywood. Hollywood is american. For them their enemy is terrorist. for other countries...their enemy is terrorist. And its impossible under such circumstances, not to be ethnocentric. And even in Hollywood movies, not all terrorists in movies are shown muslims, but many times christians also.
NUTSHELL:
Not religion, but the followers are responsible for their acts. A person can be wrong, his/her religion does not make him to do so !
Re: terror !!!!!
All the airplane hijackings done on 9-11-01 were done by Muslims. That is a fact!
Movies portray reality, but are not necessarily absolutely true. But to portray Muslims as terrorists who kill innocent people is truthful. This is a fact that is well documented, and only a fool would deny it.
And, when the movie villian is a person claiming to be a Christian (real Christians who follow the Word of God don't kill) then Hollywood tells the story without sugar-coating it.
The difference between the two religions - Christianity and Islam - is that Christian leaders will immediately condemn the violence.
Islamic leaders participate in celebrating the murders.
IMHO
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yaali110
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(8/11/02 9:05 am) Reply
reality !!!!!
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Asalamoalikum !
My point about terrorism etc. is that people can be terrorists in any religion. It is not right to hold a religion responsible for that.
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All the airplane hijackings done on 9-11-01 were done by Muslims. That is a fact!
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I did not deny or challenge that. Ok, thats one instance. Similarly, crimes of Hitler are an instance of a christian commiting sinful acts of terror.
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Movies portray reality, but are not necessarily absolutely true. But to portray Muslims as terrorists who kill innocent people is truthful. This is a fact that is well documented, and only a fool would deny it.
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Same goes for christians. So, I can just replace muslims with christians. Movies portray reality, but are not necessarily absolutely true. But to portray Christians also, as terrorists who kill innocent people is truthful. This is a fact that is well documented, and only a fool would deny it.
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The difference between the two religions - Christianity and Islam - is that Christian leaders will immediately condemn the violence.
Islamic leaders participate in celebrating the murders.
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Please, support your point. Osama bin Laden had never been the leader of muslims. He was self proclaimed leader, and that too, of not muslims but of some certain group that shared same mentality, like hitler and Mussolinni. Attacks of 9/11 were codemned by Almost ALL the leaders of muslim countries, to the best of my knowledge. Who celebrated it ? Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan, Lebanon, Egypt, Malaysia, Jordon, UAE, Morocco, Oman, Bahrain, Qata'r ....All condemned those attacks. Maybe a minority did not.
And whether or not Islam and christianity have enough reasons to condemn terrorism...This issue has been extensively discussed under another post called "Is Islam Evil?"
talk is cheap my friend
Hi Asad Ali, I agree not all muslims are violent.
But, what troubles me is, it has been almost a year since 911, and all the "peaceful" Muslim Countries have not comdemed the suicide bombings ( acts of self defense ) in Isreal to this day, nor have they publically comdemed Bin Ladden? If these Muslim countries were truly "peaceful" and "just" would they not be arresting all known terrorists, violent muslims within their borders and beheading them for the purpose of staying out of war with the UN? Why are there 40+ Muslim countries protecting and supporting these known terrorist organizations?
yaali110
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(8/13/02 6:05 pm) Reply
huh!
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Asalamoalikum !
Thanks for agreeing on a known fact.
Your question about why doesnt muslim countries condemn bombings in palestine...i'll explain later in the same post. About bin Laden... many islamic countries have denounced him and his fellows.
Iran, Pakistan, Current Afghanistan Govt, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and even UAE...they are clear on one thing that what happened on 9/11 is anti islamic and cowardly act. Did u see the CNN lately ? A dozen or so Talibans have been arrested by the Irani govt. They have handed them over to S. Arabia. What many people dont know is that, the shiai sect of muslims and sunni sect of muslims does not like bin Laden and taliban. Together these two sects make the biggest proportion of muslim nation. Another sect called Wahhabi are the ones that share same faith as talibans nad are being controlled in many muslim countries now.
About, Palestine... I agree that suicide bombings is not the right way to fight. But I recently, had a debate on the same issue with a friend of mine who is palestinian. He told me that they are fighting back with what they have. They dont have any hi-tech weapons as israel. Plus, what they are going thru is horrible. Suicide killings may not make sense morally, but emotionally they do. the countries that have established and organized military...they are not following the same track. e.g. Lebanon. When they retook their land from Israel...there were no suicide bombings. The Hizbullah groups followed the tactics of war. Palestinians lack any military or militia so they are fighting blindly.
Hope it was helpful. Though, I'd say the same thing that when it comes to fighting the hizbullahs are following right way.
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Re: Macho Man 
What do u mean ?????
Re: What do u mean ?????
talk is cheap my friend
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