Re: The Mark of the Beast...
Accordingly from what i can get out of all of it, is the Mark is supposebly accepted from the individual recieveing it.
The mark itself i believe will be a chip which is produced and implanted into a person, thereby giving them a number, this chip will be easily tracked and scan from many devices.
Lets say you went to the store, this chip is with you at all times. You can freely go select what you wish to buy then go to a register in which where you will be scanned, and walla your finished, cause the number the chip represents will be like your social/bank/credit number in one. Cash and cards by this time would be elimited. This is where if you don't take the mark you risk of not being able to purchase/eat/live in the same conditions that others with the mark have, and you maybe shunned from rest of sociaty.
I also came across on tv there was a chip made already inwhich can be implanted into ppl, such as children which would help parents keep track of thier children, the system used satalites and such. had a breif thing shown on ZDtv/techTv about 1-2 years back...
all and all i think there has been a major change, this info is now wide spread due to the bible and predictions made, I doubt if not many would be willing to take such a mark unto themselves.
Witness for Christ
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(5/10/02 10:16 am) Reply
But...
What if the mark was to help protect your safety against terrorism? And, you, being a good citizen, took it for that purpose, not because it was a mark that stood for the anti-Christ?
MonkeeSage Registered User
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(5/10/02 10:39 am) Reply
Re: The Mark of the Beast...
Just about every generation have thought they knew what the mark was. In the 1950's it was supposed to be Blue Laws, in the 1980's it was barcodes, and today it is thought to be the "smartchip."
The only thing the Bible tells us is this:
Rev. 13:11-18 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Now, I don't believe the mark is a "smartchip" for two reasons from this passage:
1. It is imposed on threat of death; "...cause...as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And...causeth all...to receive a mark..."
2. The word "mark" means literally "engrave" (Acts 17:29, "graven"), and usually is used to mean an official "stamp" or "seal" set in wax, or impressed into the parchment paper itself (like a "State Seal" on a birth certificate now). Thus, it seems to be something that is visible on the surface, not something implanted and hidden.
I'm not sure exactly how I would understand this passage, but I will say this much; consider the parallel between the what antichrist--the one who comes in place of Christ to deceive the world--will do, and what God commanded:
"And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads..."
Exo 28:36-38 And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, HOLINESS TO THE LORD. And thou shalt put it on a blue lace, that it may be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be. And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the LORD.
And notice also that the antichrist is later said to himself be stamped in his father's name (in contrast to "HOLINESS TO THE LORD"):
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
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One of the reasons ppl went to the barcode was the fact, that the begining, ending and middle two bars shown which where longer then the rest all represented the number 6.
Now the facts that are said is:
The mark is worn and accepted by the individual on hand or forehead.
The mark is in relation to that persons ability to buy, or sell
Those who do not wear the mark are sentenced to death
Intentions will be there to decieve the person getting the mark.
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Now between barcodes and smartchips theres realy no difference, both will be used for scanning purpose, both have a unique number to them. Barcodes can be placed anywhere with the technology today, even on smartchips.
The reason why i say the smartchip would be the a resonable mark is due to many factors. First off, during this time highly doubt ppl let go of currancy and money in Whole, therefore a number would have to be in place to satisfy the marketplace. aye ppl will still have jobs and still get thier weekly paycheck, The revelations did however point in a clue that the market of today is still intact, It refers to both poor and rich will recieve the mark. Only money is valude as such.
Today technology has done many miracles to the eyes and wondermeant of ppl, It has performed tasks in which we would of never thought even possible. .... it has also united us in a way if i might add. this would mean being the interenet and the fact that technology is universal in all aspects. Also put into mind the 1st angel is the angel of light,that was what he was bestowed with. all technology runs and uses a form of light called electricity, totaly leaving out the connection of those two might indeed be a wrong oversight.
Techonolgy currently advances and changes by the month, with little control over it. currently we still have the privlage to use old school currency, such as using paper and metals to represent it. but remember with banks and new devices, it is the hopes of the future that little things such as that may not be neccassary. plastic cards are currently what the industry is seeking to replace hard currancy. (the good of that is the less hard currency needing to be generated, think a little hard does the metals and models of making a single nickel cost that same nickal to keep currancy in place, studies show its not getting to be, nickels are now mixed with other metals fer now to subside in costs but plastic is way cheaper.
Im almost certain that a piece of technology would be implimented by some means to make what is refered the mark.
the revelations are hard to interepret, But it is in gods will that we do not know our own future, thus this incription is justified. Same is shown on other prophets, such as nostradamus this type of incription. I don't view a full sized dragon replica coming from the ground and threating us. reasons are.
1. we have a nack fer fighting for freedom and what we believe in, something by force will be given force back ten fold in the end.
2. sudden change is realy hard to get used to, tons of ppl droned to get up and go to work and all that will be hard to let go, when it comes to stuff like that it seems to be drilled and we are automated to do so from what ive seen.
also using the ancient text have somebody back then write names such as computer or technology, in those lines of words, they would be utterly confused to no end. here the words where able to be understood in thier time and well headed.
bleh to long of a post =P
MonkeeSage Registered User
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(5/10/02 7:16 pm) Reply
Re: The Mark of the Beast...
I disagree with one of your propositional statements:
"Intentions will be there to decieve the person getting the mark."
You acknowledged just above it that the proposition can be derived that:
"Those who do not wear the mark are sentenced to death
Thus, if you have someone telling you that you will be killed and can't buy or sell without whatever this mark is, then I cannot see where deception fits in? "You're going to die!!! But I'm really your buddy...so why not take this nifty little mark and lets get an ice-cream" ;)
Re: The Mark of the Beast...
Forgot this was here...I agree with monkeesage on this one... to me one will know what he is doing as in rev it shows the beast to be blasting God, then he declares we must have this mark, now the kjv says "in" and all the others say on, will have to look into that later... as to the right translation... but its clear is someone must agree with and all Christians on the earth then will know what it means to accept the mark, out and out rebellion against God.
Re: The Mark of the Beast...Chips/tracking devices.
Have you heard of the chips/tracking devices that they are making and marketing right now?People can buy them and get them implanted.
Re: The Mark of the Beast...Chips/tracking devices.
Every person in the world would be fingerprinted and registered under a universal identification scheme to fight illegal immigration and people smuggling outlined at a United Nations meeting today.
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