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muslimman
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(4/9/02 12:37 am)
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except for paul jesus makes claim of divinity
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John 5:7 has long been known to be a forgery, so that one is out....

and "1 Timothy 3:16" is incorrectly translated

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Re: except for paul jesus makes claim of divinity
Welcome muslimman-

And so what leads you to the conclusion that John 5:7 is false?


As for 1tim 3:16 kaivoJmologoumevnwßmevgaßejstivmusthvrioneujsevbeiaqeovßfanerovwejnsavrx dikaiovwejnpneu'maojptavnomaia[ggeloßkhruvsswejne[qnoßpisteuvwejnkovsmoß ajnalambavnwejndovxa

kaiv oJmologoumevnwß mevgaß ejstiv musthvrion eujsevbeia qeovß fanerovw ejn
savrx dikaiovw ejn pneu'ma ojptavnomai a[ggeloß khruvssw ejn e[qnoß pisteuvw
ejn kovsmoß ajnalambavnw ejn dovxa




kaiv Definition 1.and, also, even, indeed, but

oJmologoumevnwß Definition 1.by consent of all, confessedly, without controversy

mevgaß Definition 1. great

ejstiv Definition 1. third person singular of "to be"

musthvrion Definition 1. hidden thing, secret, mystery

eujsevbeia Definition 1. reverence, respect

qeovß Definition 2. the Godhead, trinity

fanerovw Definition 1.to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way

ejn Definition 1. in, by with, etc.

savrx Definition 1. flesh (the soft substance of the living body, which covers the bones and is permeated with blood) of both man and beasts

dikaiovw Definition 1. to render righteous or such he ought to be

ejn Definition 1. in, by, with, ect

pneu'ma Definition 1. the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son

ojptavnomai Definition 1. to look, to be seen.

a[ggeloß Definition 1. a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God

khruvssw Definition 1. to be a herald, to officiate as a herald

ejn Definition 1. in, by, with, ect

e[qnoß Definition 1. a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together a. a company, troop, swarm

pisteuvw Definition 1. to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in a. of the thing believed 1. to credit, have confidence

ejn Definition 1. in, by, with, ect

kovsmoß Definition 2. the world, the universe

ajnalambavnw Definition 1. to take up, to raise

ejn Definition 1. in, by, with, ect

dovxa Definition 3. splendour, brightness

kaiv oJmologoumevnwß mevgaß ejstiv musthvrion eujsevbeia qeovß fanerovw ejn
savrx dikaiovw ejn pneu'ma ojptavnomai a[ggeloß khruvssw ejn e[qnoß pisteuvw
ejn kovsmoß ajnalambavnw ejn dovxa

kaivoJmologoumevnwßmevgaßejstivmusthvrioneujsevbeiaqeovßfanerovwejnsavrx dikaiovwejnpneu'maojptavnomaia[ggeloßkhruvsswejne[qnoßpisteuvwejnkovsmoß ajnalambavnwejndovxa


kaiv (and) oJmologoumevnwß (by consent of all, confessedly, without controversy) mevgaß (great) ejstiv (third person singular of "to be") musthvrion (hidden thing, secret, mystery)
eujsevbeia (reverence, respect) qeovß (the Godhead, trinity) fanerovw (to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way) ejn (in) savrx (flesh)dikaiovw (to render righteous or such he ought to be) ejn (in) pneu'ma (the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son)
ojptavnomai (to look, to be seen.) a[ggeloß (a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God)khruvssw (to be a herald, to officiate as a herald)
ejn(by) e[qnoß (a multitude)pisteuvw (to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in a. of the thing believed 1. to credit, have confidence)
ejn (in) kovsmoß (the world) ajnalambavnw (to take up,raised)ejn (in) dovxa (splendour, brightness)





1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

(and)
(by consent of all, confessedly, without controversy)
(great)
("to be")
the (hidden thing, secret, mystery)
with (reverence, respect)
(the Godhead, trinity)
(was made manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way)
(in)
(flesh)
(to render righteous or such he ought to be)
(in)
(the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son)
(to look, to be seen.)
(by)
(the messengers, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God) (to be a herald, to officiate as a herald)
(by)
(a multitude)
(to think to be true)
(in)
(the world)
(to take up,raised)
(in)
(splendour, brightness)

And by consent of all, confessedly, without controversy great to be is the hidden thing, the secret mystery with reverence and respect. The Godhead was made manifest, visible and made known what has been hidden or unknown, to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way in flesh to render righteous or such he ought to be in the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son to look, to be seen by the messengers, envoys an angels to be a herald, to officiate as a herald by a multitude to be known to be true in the world and taken up, raised into splendour and brightness.

Amen.

Your right!!! It is a bad translation. They should have made it CLEARER... That Jesus was God ;P











Daaaaa King

Daniel Marsh
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(8/8/02 9:11 am)
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why is Paul reliable!

off the top of my head, Paul was

1. a Hebrew of Hebrews, who better to know the history, languages, culture and all knowledge of Abraham's offspring?
in short, we was well qualified.

2. True he did not walk with Jesus during his ministry, but that is not a big deal because he had a direct encouter with Jesus in the book of Acts. He also, consulted with those regularly that did walk with Jesus in his earthly mission, thus he has been verified by those who went before him.

3. Jesus & God himself set Paul up as an Apostle!!!

4. Paul's writings were accepted as authoritive even by the likes of Peter, who was the first among the Apostles.

5. In short, Paul even was caught up to Heaven itself!

6. Paul's message does not contradict the Gospels & Acts which are the larger part of the NT.

So, if my choice is to follow the teachings of Jesus which are in agreement with Paul's or follow Muhammads which contradict both Paul and contradict Jesus. Then it is clear because Muhammad is in contradiction to both Jesus and Paul who both testifly to the facts of the death and ressurrection of Jesus. I will follow Jesus.

Jesus clearly said he was God in his cultural trappings in John 8:58 and John 10:30, we know this because the Jewish People he was speaking to picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy. In fact, the author of John a Jew, clearly understond that Jesus was God in John 5:18, and John 1:1.
In the book of Revelation written by John too, views Jesus as the First and The Last, the Alpha and Omega also, titles only applied to God himself!!! In fact, you may want to read the gospel of John, John's epistles, and the book of Revelation sometime.


understand the culture of the NT because in John 20:28-29, Matthew 14:33, 28:9,17, John 5:23, Revelation 5:8-16 ( Lamb is Jesus ), and other places too Jesus was worshipped. They were not paying homage to him because that is a completely different greek word.

Matthew 2:11
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh.

Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."

Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

Luke 24
51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. 52Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy. 53And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.


John 9:38
Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him.


Revelation 5
8And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song:
"You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased men for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth."
11Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12In a loud voice they sang:
"Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!"
13Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing:
"To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!" 14The four living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped.


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An Outline of the New Testament
Testimony to the Deity of Christ

This outline does not purport to be in any sense an exhaustive
analysis of the NT witness to Christ's deity. Rather it is a
sketch of one approach - a rather traditional approach -
to this theme. Other complementary or supplementary approaches
abound, such as the creative treatment of Jesus' implicit claim
to deity in his parables by P. B. Payne or R. T. France's
documentation from the Synoptic Gospels of Jesus' assumption of
the role of Yahweh (Jesus and the Old Testament p.150-59).
For a brief discussion of the NT verses that seem, at first sight,
to call Jesus' divinity into question, see R. E. Brown,
"Does the New Testament Call Jesus God?" (Reflections 6-10).

A. Implicit Christology

1. Divine functions performed by Jesus

a. In relation to the universe

(1) Creator (John 1:3; Col. 1:16; Heb. 1:2)
(2) Sustainer (1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3)
(3) Author of life (John 1:4; Acts 3:15)
(4) Ruler (Matt. 28:18; Rom. 14:9; Rev. 1:6)

b. In relation to human beings

(1) Healing the sick (Mark 1:32-34; Acts 3:6; 10:3
(2) Teaching authoritatively (Mark 1:21-22; 13:31)
(3) Forgiving sins (Mark 2:1-12; Luke 24:47; Acts 6:31;
Col. 3:13)
(4) Granting salvation or imparting eternal life (Acts 4: 12;
Rom. 10:12-14)
(5) Dispensing the Spirit (Matt. 3:11; Acts 2:17, 33)
(6) Raising the dead (Luke 7:11-17; John 5:21; 6:40)
(7) Exercising judgment (Matt. 25:31-46; John 5:19-29;
Acts 10:42; 1 Cor. 4:4-6)

2. Divine status claimed by or accorded to Jesus

a. In relation to his Father

(1) Possessor of divine attributes (John 1:4; 10:30; 21:17;
Eph. 4:10; Col. 1:19; 2:9)
(2) Eternally existent (John 1:1; 8:58; 12:41; 17:5;
1 Cor. 10:4; Phil. 2:6; Heb. 11:26; 13:8; Jude 5)
(3) Equal in dignity (Matt. 28:19; John 5:23; 2 Cor. 13:14;
Rev. 22:13; cf. 21:6)
(4) Perfect revealer (John 1:18; 14:9; Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:1-3)
(5) Embodiment of truth (John 1:9, 14; 6:32; 14:6; Rev. 3:7,14)
(6) Joint possessor of the kingdom (Eph. 5:5; Rev. 11:15),
churches (Rom. 16:16), Spirit (Rom. 8:9; Phil. 1:19),
temple (Rev. 21:Z), divine name (Matt 28:19; cf. Rev. 14:1),
and throne (Rev. 22:1, 3)

b. In relation to human beings

(1) Recipient of praise (Mat 21:16-16; Eph. 6:19; 1 Tim. 1:12;
Rev. 5:8-14)
(2) Recipient of prayer (Acts 1:24; 7:59-60; 9:10-17,21;
22:16,19; 1 Cor. 1:2; 16:22; 2 Cor. 12:
(3) Object of saving faith (John 14:1; Acts 10:43; 16:31;
Rom. 10:8-13)
(4) Object of worship (Matt 14:33; 28:9,17; John 5:23; 20:28;
Phil 2:10-11; Heb. 1:6; Rev. 5:8-12)
(5) Joint source of blessing (1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3;
1 Thess. 3:11; 2 Thess. 2:16)
(6) Object of doxologies (2 Tim 4:18; 2 Pet. 3:18; Rev. 1:5b-6;
5:13)

B. Explicit Christology

1. Old Testament passages refering to Yahweh applied to Jesus

a. Character of Yahweh (Exod. 3:14 and Isa 43:11 alluded to in
John 8:68; Ps. 101:27-28 LXX 1MT 102:28-291 quoted in
Heb. 1:11-12; Isa 44:6 aSuded to in Rev. 1:17)
b. Holiness of Yahweh (Isa 8:12-13 [cf. 29:23] quoted in
1 Pet.3:14-15)
c. Descriptions of Yahweh (Ezek. 43:2 and Dan. 10:6-6 alluded to
in Rev. 1:13-16)
d. Worship of Yahweh (Isa 45:23 alluded to in Phil. 2:10-11;
Deut. 32:43 LXX and Ps. 96:7 LXX [MT 97:7] quoted in Heb. 1:6)
e. Work of Yahweh in creation (Ps. 101:26 LXX [MT 102:27] quoted
in Heb. 1:10)
f. Salvation of Yahweh (Joel 2:32 [MT 3:5] quoted in Rom. 10:13;
cf. Acts 2:21; Isa 40:3 quoted in Matt. 3:3)
g. Trustworthiness of Yawheh (Isa 28:16 quoted in Rom. 9:33;
10:11; 1 Pet. 2:6)
h. Judgment of Yahweh (Isa 6:10 alluded to in John 12:41; Isa 8:14
quoted in Rom. 9:33 and 1 Pet. 2:
i. Triumph of Yahweh (Ps. 68:18 [MT v. 19] quoted in Eph. 4:

2. Divine titles claimed by or applied to Jesus

a. Son of Man (Matt. 16:28; 24:30; Mark 8:38; 14:62-64; Acts 7:56)
b. Son of God (Matt.11:27; Mark 15:39; John 1:18; Rom. 1:4;
Gal.4:4; Heb. 1:2)
c. Messiah (Matt. 16:16; Mark 14:61; John 20:31)
d. Lord (Mark 12:36-37; John 20:28; Rom. 10:9, 1 Cor. 8:6-6; 12:3;
16:22; Phil. 2:11; 1 Pet. 2:3; 3:15)
e. Alpha and Omega (Rev. 22:13; cf. 1:8; 21:6, of the Lord God)
f. God (John 1:1,18; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8;
2 Pet. 1:1)

Taken from
Murray J. Harris, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992, ISBN 0-8010-4370-0

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The above outline shows that Paul's teachings are consistent with the Gospels.



Daniel Marsh
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Scriptural Glossary
of
Names, Titles, and Attributes

Demonstrating That

Jesus and Yahweh Are One

"There is one God" - I Corinthians 8:6


Description As Used of God As Used of Jesus
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YHWH (I AM) Exodus 3:14 John 8:24
Deuteronomy 32:39 John 8:58
Isaiah 43:10 John 18:4-6
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God Genesis 1:1 Isaiah 7:14, 9:6
Deuteronomy 6:4 John 1:1,14
Psalm 45:6,7 John 20:28
Romans 9:5
Titus 2:13
Hebrews 1:8
2 Peter 1:1
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Alpha and Omega Isaiah 41:4 Revelation 1:17,18
(First and Last) Isaiah 44:6 Revelation 2:8
Isaiah 48:12 Revelation 22:12-16
Revelation 1:8 -----------------------------------------------------------------

Lord Isaiah 45:23 Matthew 12:8
Acts 7:59,60
Acts 10:36
Romans 10:12
I Corinthians 2:8
I Corinthians 12:3
Philippians 2:10,1
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Savior Isaiah 43:3 Matthew 1:21
Isaiah 43:11 Luke 2:11
Isaiah 63:8 John 1:29
Luke 1:47 John 4:42
I Timothy 4:10 Titus 2:13
Hebrews 5:9
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King Psalm 95:3 Revelation 17:14
Isaiah 43:15 Revelation 19:16
I Timothy 6:14-16
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Judge Genesis 18:25 John 5:22
Psalm 50:4,6 2 Corinthians 5:10
Psalm 96:13 2 Timothy 4:1
Romans 14:10
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Light 2 Samuel 22:29 John 1:4,9
Psalm 27:1 John 3:19
Isaiah 42:6 John 8:12
John 9:5
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Rock Deuteronomy 32:3,4 Romans 9:33
2 Samuel 22:32 I Corinthians 10:3,4
Psalm 89:26 I Peter 2:4-8
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Redeemer Psalm 130:7,8 Acts 20:28
Isaiah 48:17 Ephesians 1:7
Isaiah 54:5 Hebrews 9:12
Isaiah 63:9
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Our Righteousness Isaiah 45:24 Jeremiah 23:6
Romans 3:21-22
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Husband Isaiah 54:5 Matthew 25:1
Hosea 2:16 Mark 2:18,19
(Bridegroom)
2 Corinthians 11:2
Ephesians 5:25-32
Revelation 21:2,9
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Shepherd Genesis 49:24 John 10:11,16
Psalm 23:1 Hebrews 13:20
Psalm 80:1 1 Peter 2:25
Ezekiel 34:11-12,22 1 Peter 5:4
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Creator Genesis 1:1 John 1:2,3,10
Job 33:4 Colossians 1:15-18
Psalm 95:5,6 Hebrews 1:1-3, 10
Psalm 102:25,26
Isaiah 40:28
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Giver of Life Genesis 2:7 John 5:21
Deuteronomy 32:39 John 10:28
1 Samuel 2:6 John 11:25
Psalm 36:9
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Forgiver of Sin Exodus 34:6-7 Mark 2:1-12
Nehemiah 9:17 Acts 26:18
Daniel 9:9 Colossians 2:13
Jonah 4:2 Colossians 3:13
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Lord Our Healer Exodus 15:26 Acts 9:34
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Omnipresent Psalm 139:7-12 Matthew 18:20
Proverbs 15:3 Matthew 28:20
Ephesians 3:17; 4:10
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Omniscient 1 Kings 8:39 Matthew 11:27
Jeremiah 17:9,10,16 Luke 5:4-6
John 2:25
John 16:30
John 21:17
Acts 1:24
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Omnipotent Isaiah 40:10-31,18 Matthew 28:18
Isaiah 45:5-13,18 Mark 1:29-34
John 10:18
Jude 24
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Pre-Existent Genesis 1:1 John 1:15,30
John 3:13,31,32
John 6:62
John 16:28
John 17:5
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Eternal Psalm 102:26, 27 Isaiah 9:6
Habakkuk 3:6 Micah 5:2
John 8:58
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Immutable Isaiah 46:9,16 Hebrews 13:8
Malachi 3:6
James 1:17
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Receiver of Matthew 4:10 Matthew 14:33
Worship John 4:24 Matthew 28:9
Revelation 5:14 John 9:38
Revelation 7:11 Philippians 2:10,11
Revelation 11:16 Hebrews 1:6
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Speaker with "Thus saith the Lord ... Matthew 23:34-37
Divine Authority - used hundreds of times John 7:46
"Truly, truly,
I say ....
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This chart (minimally extended by me) is taken from
pages 62-64 of the book:

Jesus - A Biblical Defense of His Deity
by Josh McDowell and Bart Larson
Here's Life Publishers, (c) 1983, ISBN 0-86605-114-7



Daniel Marsh
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The PERSON of JESUS CHRIST

(Outline Studies By Fred G. Zaspel)


INTRODUCTION: Historical Observations

*The issue which faced the early church is the same which has faced the church ever since. It was overwhelmingly evident that Jesus of Nazareth was in many ways entirely different from any other person. Explaining this difference was a puzzle to those who heard him and to the church fathers of the early centuries. Consequently, the early church was filled with speculations about the nature and person of Jesus. What follows is a brief overview of some of the opinions which have been held.

I. Early Heresies & Their Successors
A. Docetism
*Product of an early Gnostic-type philosophy; 1st century
*From the Greek word dokeo, "to seem, to appear"
*Distinctive Teaching: Christ merely seemed human, a
phantom or appearance of some kind, His physical
appearance was not real.

B. Ebionism (2nd century)
*Denial of Deity of Christ

C. Monarchians (Sabellians, Modalists, Patripassians; 3rd century)
*God exists in three different modes (Father, Son,
Holy Spirit), but only one mode at a time.

D. Arianism (early 4th century; modern Jehovah's Witnesses)
*Denial of Deity of Christ; Christ the highest created being
*Condemned by Council of Nicea, 325

E. Apollinarianism (4th century)
*Jesus had a body but it was not at all like ours
*Condemned by Council of Constantinople, 381

F. Nestorianism (5th century)
*Great emphasis on the fact of Jesus' physical body
*A reaction to Apollinaris
*Condemned by Council of Ephesus, 431

G. Eutychianism (Monophysitism; 5th century)
*A confusion of Jesus' humanity & deity, the combination
producing a different nature entirely
*Condemned by Council of Chalcedon, 451

H. Socinianism (late 16th century; modern Unitarianism)
*Denial of Deity of Christ

I. Mormonism
*Christ the "spirit-child of God"
*Christ is "a God" but not full deity in the Trinitarian sense

J. Christian Science
*Christ had no real body
*Jesus and the Christ are distinct persons

K. The Way International
*Denial of Christ's Deity

L. Liberal Protestantism
*Basically Socinian
*c.f. various "kenosis" theories

*Cf, Orthodoxy (historic Christianity; defined at Chalcedon, 451)
*Jesus Christ is truly God and truly man
*His two natures unite in one Person
*He is truly the God-Man

II. Affirmations of the Councils & Creeds
A. Nicea I (325)
*Led by Athanasius, Condemned Arianism
*Affirmed Deity of Christ --declared the Son homoousios
with the Father (of the same essence, being)

B. Constantinople I (381)
*Reaffirmed Nicea I plus Pneumatology
*Condemned Apollinarianism
*Concluded Arian controversy

C. Ephesus (431)
*Condemned Nestorianism
*Affirmed the hypostatic union

D. Chalcedon (451)
*Condemned Eutychianism
*Approved the Nicene Creed
*Complete discussion & confirmation of the hypostatic
union
*Affirmed the doctrine of the Trinity

E. The Athanasian Creed (late 5th century)
*Directed against Modalism and Arianism
*Affirmed the procession of the Spirit filioque, "from the
Son"

F. Constantinople II (553)
*Forcibly suppressed Monophysitism

G. Constantinople III (680-681)
*Condemned monothelitism (that Christ had but one will)
*Affirmed that Christ had both a human and a divine will

III. Scriptural Conclusions
*I Jn.4:1-3 & II Jn.7-10 (Humanity)
*I Jn.5:20 (Deity)
*Col.2:9 (Hypostatic Union)

IV. Lessons
A. Doctrines subjected to neglect soon give way to heresy.
B. The attempt to render all the intracacies of a doctrine
thoroughly comprehensible may also result in heresy.
C. The statements of Scripture must be faced honestly and
humbly.

PART ONE: His Deity

I. Evidence From Jesus Himself
A. His BEHAVIOR
1. He Accepted & Encouraged Worship (c.f. Mt.4:10)
Mt.14:33; 16:16; 21:15-16; 28:9, 17; Mk.14:3-9;
Jn.5:23; 20:28

2. He Granted Forgiveness & Salvation (c.f. Is. 43:25)
Mk.2:1-12; Lk.7:47-50; Jn.10:9; 14:6

3. He Displayed Omniscience
Mt.12:25; Mk.2:8

B. His CLAIMS
1. Messiahship (See IV, "The Teaching of the OT Writers")
2. Divine Prerogatives
a. Salvation, Forgiveness, & Judgment (cf, Jonah 2:9)
Mt.7:21-23; Jn.5:22; 10:9; 14:6

b. Resurrection
Jn.5:21; 11:25

c. Send the Holy Spirit
Jn.15:26; 16:7

3. Divine Attributes
a. Omnipotence
Mt.28:18

b. Omnipresence
Mt.28:20; Jn.1:44-49

c. Eternity
Jn. 8:58; Rev. 1:8

d. Perfection
Jn. 8:46

4. Deity
Mt.11:27; Mk.2:1-12 (c.f. Is.43:25); 14:61-64;
Jn.5:16-18, 23; Jn. 8:58; 10:11, 15, 24-33; 12:45;
c.f. 14:8-10; 15:23; 17:5; Jn. 18:4-6

Conclusion--a Trilemma: In light of these direct claims of Jesus, the modern assertion that He was not God but rather a good man, is entirely implausible. Having claimed deity, Jesus is either God, or He is a liar, or He is a mad-man (who thinks He is God when He is not). He is either Lord, lunatic, or liar; there are no other alternatives. Jesus' behavior and His claims attest to His deity.

II. Evidence from Jesus' Contemporaries
A. How They UNDERSTOOD Him
1. His Enemies
Mk.2:1-12; 14:61-64; Jn.5:16-18; 8:59; 10:30ff

2. His Friends
Mt.16:16; Jn.20:28

B. How They RESPONDED To Him
1. Anger/Resentment
(see "His Enemies" above)

2. Worship
(see "His Friends" above)

Conclusion: Jesus' contemporaries--both friends & enemies--agreed on this point; namely, that Jesus claimed deity. Their disagreement was only in their acceptance or rejection of the claim. Again, this is in contrast to the modern idea that Jesus never claimed deity. The understanding of those who heard Him was that He did indeed claim to be God.

III. Evidence from the New Testament Writers
A. DIVINE ATTRIBUTES ascribed to Him
1. Omniscience
Mt.12:25; Mk.2:8; Jn.21:17; Col.2:3

2. Eternity
Is.9:6; Mic.5:2; Col.1:17; Heb.1:7-8; 7:24-25;
Rev.1:8; 4:8

3. Immutability
Heb. 13:8


B. DIVINE WORKS Ascribed to Him
1. Creation (c.f. Is. 42:5)
Jn.1:43; Eph.3:9; Col. 1:16

2. Preservation
Col.1:17; Heb.1:3

3. Resurrection
I Cor. 15:22

C. DIVINE WORSHIP Ascribed to Him
1. Worship by men
Mt.14:33; 16:16; 21:15; 28:9, 17; Jn.20:28; Jude 24-25

2. Worship by angels
Heb. 1:6

3. Prayer directed to Him
Acts 7:59

D. DIVINE NAMES & TITLES Ascribed to Him
1. Son of God
Mt.16:16; 26:61-64; Lk.22:67-71; Jn.1:34

2. Immanuel
Is. 7:14; Mt.1:23

3. Lord
Mt.12:8; 22:43-45; Lk.6:46; Jn.20:28; I Pet.3:15

4. God
Is. 9:6; Jn.1:1, 18; 20:28; Rom.9:5; I Tim. 3:16;
Tit.2:13; Heb.1:3, 8; I Jn.5:20; Rev. 4:8

E. DEITY Ascribed to Him
Phil.2:6, 11; Col.1:15, 19; 2:9; I Tim. 3:16; Jude 25

Conclusion: The New Testament Writers unanimously & consistently ascribe deity to Jesus Christ. Their understanding was that Jesus of Nazareth is God.

IV. Evidence from the Old Testament Writers
FOCUS: The Promised Messiah

A. The DEITY of The Messiah
Gen.3:15 (c.f. 4:1); Ps.45:6-7; 110:1; Is.7:14; 9:6; 40:3-4,
9-11; 53:12; Jer.23:5-6; Dan.7:13; Hos.1:7; Mic.5:2;
Zech. 12:10; 13:7 (cf., Jn. 10:30 & Phil. 2:6); 14:3-4, 9;
Mal. 3:1

B. The IDENTITY of the Messiah (The Messiahship of Jesus)
1. The Messiah's Credentials/Requirements
a. His Place of Birth
Mic. 5:2 - Mt. 2:1
*Note also: Nazareth--Mt. 2:23; and
Egypt--Hos. 11:1 - Mt. 2:15

b. The Manner of His Birth
Is. 7:14 - Mt. 1:18

c. The Time of His Birth
Gen. 49:10 = A.D. 12? 44? 70? (No later)
Dan. 9:24ff = A.D. 33

d. His Ancestry
*Gen. 12:2-3 (Abraham)
*II Sam. 7:12-16 (David) - Mt. 1:1

e. His Reception
Jer. 31:15 - Mt. 2:16
Is. 53:3 - Jn. 1:11

f. His Ministry
1) Preceded by Forerunner
Is. 40:3; Mal. 3:1 - Jn. 1:23

2) Perform Miracles
Is. 35:5-6 - Jn. 20:30-31

3) Speak in Parables
Ps. 78:2 - Mt. 13:3, etc.

4) Enter the Temple Suddenly
Mal. 3:1 - Mt. 21:12ff

5) Enter Jerusalem on a Donkey
Zech. 9:9 - Jn. 12:12ff

g. His Betrayal by a Friend
Ps. 41:9 - Mt. 10:4
(c.f. Zech. 11:12 - Mt. 26:15;
Zech. 11:13 - Mt. 27:5, 7)

h. His Forsakenness
1) By His Disciples
Zech. 13:7 - Mk. 14:50

2) By God
Ps. 22:1 - Mt. 27:46

i. His False Accusers
Ps. 35:11 - Mt. 26:59-60

j. His Silence before his accusers
Is. 53:7 - Mt. 27:12

k. His Sufferings
Is. 53:4 - Mt. 8:17
Is. 50:6 - Mt. 26:67
Ps. 22:7-8 - Mt. 27:31
Ps. 22:16 - Lk. 23:33 & Jn. 20:25
Ps. 22:18 - Jn. 19:23-24
Ps. 34:20 - Jn. 19:33
Is. 53:12 - Mt. 27:38

l. His Death
Is. 53:8; Dan. 9:26; Zech. 12:10 - Jn. 19, etc.

m. His Resurrection
Ps. 16:10 - Acts 2:31
n. His Ascension
Ps. 68:18 - Acts 1:9
etc...


2. The Claims of Jesus
Mt.5:17; 11:10; 13:14; 21:42; 26:5, 56; Mk.13:26;
Lk.4:20-21; 22:37; 24:27, 44; Jn.5:39, 46; 15:25

3. The Claims of the NT writers
Mt. 1:1; 16:16; Gal.4:4

Conclusion: The Old Testament writers consistently & unanimously ascribe deity to the promised Messiah. Furthermore, only Jesus of Nazareth has the credentials and fits the requirements for the Messiah. Therefore, the testimony of the Old Testament to Jesus is that He is God.

V. Evidence from the NT Interpretation of the OT
Ps. 68:18 - Eph. 4:7-8
Ps. 97:7 - Heb. 1:6
Ps. 102:12, 25-27 - Heb. 1:10-12
Is. 6:1, 3 - Jn. 12:41
Is. 8:13 - I Pet. 3:15
Is. 40:3 & Mal. 3:1) - Mt. 3:3 & Lk. 3:4)
Is. 41:4 & 44:6 - Rev. 1:8, 17, 2:8
Is. 45:21-25 - Phil. 2:10-11
Joel 2:32 - Rom. 10:13
Zech. 12:10 - Rev. 1:7

Conclusion: The New Testament writers consistently interpret Old Testament references to Jehovah as speaking of Jesus Christ. Clearly, they understood Jesus to be God Himself, the incarnation of Jehovah.

VI. "Problem Passages"
A. Proverbs 8:22

"Wisdom," it is claimed (referring to Jesus), is here said to have had a beginning. Nothing, however, is mentioned which would indicate that this is a reference to Jesus (as is I Cor. 1:24); rather this is simply a personification of God's attribute of wisdom. Furthermore, this does not state that wisdom had a beginning ("possessed" in the KJV is the accurate translation of the Hebrew qanah), but that it was with God from the beginning, as the following verses make clear. This passage merely states in poetic fashion that wisdom has always been a part of God's nature.

B. John 5:19

It is claimed that in this verse Jesus is correcting the "misunderstanding" of those who thought he was claiming deity (v.1 . However, Jesus is here establishing that very thing! That He could "do nothing of Himself" means that He never acted apart from the Father's will. He is expressing His closeness and oneness with the Father (cf., v.20). The following verses make it plain that Jesus claimed to do what the Father does. They acted together in perfect oneness. Jesus is reemphasizing (not denying) their charge that He claimed deity.

C. John 10:35-36

A. T. Robertson stated that a man without a sense of humor would not know how to read this passage. In it Jesus is under attack for His claim of deity (cf, vv.30ff). In response to His enemy, Jesus appeals to Psalm 82:6 which refers to men (judges, men who in this respect act in behalf of God) as "gods." Jesus' very clever point is simply that if even the Scriptures could use such language of men, then they surely could not attack Him for His clam to be "the Son of God" (v.36). To be sure, His claim implied more than the text he cited (vv.37-3 , and this explains the continued effort to slay Him (v.39).


D. John 14:28
*This is merely a statement of Jesus' subordination to the
will of the Father.

E. I Corinthians 11:3
*This is also a mere statement of positional subordination,
not an inferiority of nature.

F. I Corinthians 15:28
*This is again a statement of Jesus's subordination to the
Father, nothing more.

G. Philippians 2:7 ("kenosis")

The statement here that Christ Jesus "emptied Himself" (KJV, "made Himself of no reputation"), does not indicate in any way that at His incarnation Jesus became anything less than full deity. He did not empty Himself of anything (such as His deity, etc.) but merely "emptied Himself," which must be taken figuratively as a dramatic statement of His marvelous condescension in assuming humanity (cf., vv. 5-11).

H. Colossians 1:15

The reference to Jesus as "firstborn" is a declaration of His position with reference to all creation (as this and the following verses explain). He has sovereignty over it all by reason of the fact that He created and sustains it all and that it all is His.

I. Revelation 3:14

The translation here should not read that Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God" but that He is the One who Himself began it! He is the creator of all creation (cf, John's words in Jn.1:3).


Conclusion: Biblical passages alledged to contradict the deity of Jesus Christ, when considered in their context and the light of all the related Scriptural data, are seen rather to establish, not contradict, Jesus' Deity.



SUMMARY/CONCLUSION:

That Jesus claimed to be God is nowhere questioned in the Bible but rather consistently affirmed. That He is God was continually recognized by all of His followers and questioned only by His enemies. The deity of Jesus Christ is a fact which is faithfully attested in the Scriptures.

PART TWO: His Humanity

I. Definitions
A. A Human Body

B. A Human Soul


II. Observations From History
(see Introduction above)


III. Scriptural Data
A. Biblical Evidences of Jesus' Humanity
1. His Human Body
Lk.2:52, Mt.4:2, Jn.19:28, Mt.8:24

2. His Human Names & Titles
Jesus, Son of Man, Son of Abraham, Son of David,
Man of Sorrows

3. His Human Claims
Jn.8:40

4. His Human Soul
Mt.26:38, Lk.23:46, Jn.13:21

5. Old Testament Predictions Regarding the Humanity of
the Messiah
Gen.3:15, Is.7:14, Is.53:1-2

6. New Testament Statements Regarding the Humanity of
Jesus Christ
I Tim.2:5, Jn.1:14, Rom.9:5, Phil.2:8, Heb.2:17


B. Biblical Expressions of Jesus' Humanity
1. The Gospels
a. His Growth
Lk.2:52
b. His Fatigue
Jn.4:6, Mt.8:24
c. His Hunger
Mt.4:2
d. His Thirst
Jn.19:28
e. His Testings
Mt.4 etc.
f. His Praying
Jn.17, Mt.26
g. His Anger
Mk.3:1-5
h. His Helpless Compassion
Mt.23:37
i. His Sorrowful Compassion
Jn.11:35

. . . . . . 2. The Epistles
. . . . . . . . . . a. He died our death
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Heb.2:9-10
. . . . . . . . . . b. He calls us brethren
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Heb.2:11
. . . . . . . . . . c. He was made like us in order to be our priest
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Heb.2:17-18
. . . . . . . . . . d. He is personally acquainted with our weaknesses and so can help
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Heb.4:15-16
. . . . . . . . . . e. He learned the restrictions of life
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Heb.5:8
. . . . . . . . . . f. He is man's mediator with God
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1Tim.2:5

Conclusion: Jesus is truly human in the fullest sense of the term. He became all that we are, in every detail except sin. (Sin is not essential to true humanity; cf. Adam & Eve before the fall.)


IV. The Importance of Christ's Humanity

. . . . . A. Concerning His Example
. . . . . . . . . . *I Pet.2:21
. . . . . . . . . . *As man He provided for us the pattern for living as men.

. . . . . B. Concerning His Everlasting Priesthood
. . . . . . . . . *Heb.2:17-18
. . . . . . . . . *Only as man can Jesus be able to faithfully represent men to God.

. . . . . C. Concerning His Daily Provision of Grace
. . . . . . . . . . *Heb.2:17-18; 4:15-16
. . . . . . . . . . *He understands our lives because He has lived it also.
. . . . . . . . . . *Because He understands, coming to Him we "obtain mercy and find grace to help in
. . . . . . . . . . . . . time of need."

V. Practical Observations

. . . . . . A. Our physical and bodily limitations are aspects of real humanity.
. . . . . . . . . *The physical weaknesses and limits which we experience are not in themselves sinful
. . . . . . . . . . . or shameful but are merely aspects of humanity with which our Lord Himself is
. . . . . . . . . . . personally acquainted.

. . . . . . B. Our psychological & emotional makeup are likewise aspects of real humanity.
. . . . . . . . . *Laughter, crying, anger, etc., are all very proper expressions of our humanity.

. . . . . . C. Our natural human &bodily functions are proper but must be subject to the will of God.
. . . . . . . . . . *Human appetites are not sinful, although the way in which we satisfy them may be.

. . . . . . D. Jesus Christ is Himself the living model and pattern for our lives.
. . . . . . . . . . *We must think of Him more in this way!


PART THREE: Summary

I. Summary Statement
The New Testament teaching and the historic Christian position regarding the Person of Christ is that Jesus is truly God and truly man in the fullest sense of the terms. In His Person is a union of two distinct natures--human and divine. In this union the two natures did not combine or confuse so as to produce a unique, third kind of nature; nor was there a dual personality. Rather, the product was a single unique Person, a Person with two natures.

II. Key Terms & Clarifications
. . . . . A. Incarnation -- God "became flesh"

. . . . . B. Duality of Natures -- two distinct natures, human and divine

. . . . . C. Hypostatic Union -- union of the two natures in one Person

. . . . . D. Theanthropic Person -- the "person" is both "God" and "Man" (the theanthropos)

. . . . . E. Note the Distinction between "Person" and "Nature"

III. Key Texts

John 1:1-18
Rom. 9:5
Phil. 2:6-11
I Tim. 3:16
Col. 2:9


IV. Council of Chalcedon (451)
"Following the holy fathers, we unanimously teach one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, complete as to His Godhead, and complete as to His manhood; truly God, and truly man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting; consubstantial with the Father as to His Godhead, and consubstantial with us as to His manhood; like unto us in all things, yet without sin; as to His Godhead begotten of the Father before all worlds, but as to His manhood, in these last days born, for us men and for our salvation, of the virgin Mary...known in (of) two natures, without confusion, without conversion, without severance, and without division; the distinction of the natures being in no wise abolished by their union but the peculiarity of each nature being maintained, and both concurring in one person and hypostasis."

V. Implications
. . . . . A. Regarding The Person & Work of Christ
. . . . . . . . . 1. The Dignity of His Position
. . . . . . . . . . . . . *Lordship

. . . . . . . . . 2. The Quality of His Life
. . . . . . . . . . . . . *Sinless
. . . . . . . . . . . . . *Impeccable

. . . . . . . . . 3. The Nature & Value of His Sacrifice

. . . . . B. Regarding The Life of the Christian



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Nor can the memory find
A sweeter sound than Thy blest name,
O Savior of mankind!"

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Daniel Marsh
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Re: why is Paul reliable!
see book

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Re: why is Paul reliable!
WHy read any other book?
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Re: why is Paul reliable!
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