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(4/8/02 3:09 pm) Reply
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
KingJehu, let me quote what you said,
The peasant man that never harmed a soul in china in 40 ad, and never heard of Christ... a fair man, pure to his family and friends needs, a man that had no man as an enemy... will he burn in hell?
the peasant man was righteous in his ways, as was Job before Christ, where these men, saved ??
* The Righteous doesnt need a savior .... ???
Kjv Mathew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
I know that was bold of me to say ... and i maybe wrong ... most likely i am wrong, however, the ppl in the OT times before Christ were saved by another method ...
Look at Enoch, and Elijah, we all know they were saved, and not by the christ method either persay.
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
PAPERCUP! Good point... and I agree with you fully... some say all before Christ fall under that limited atonement... how could Christ have paid for their sins... ?
(Yet the law was made that we know sin... if they had not the law how could they know they sinned?)
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. (Here Paul says he would not be aware of his sin if not for the jewish law... so how could say Able... he was pleasing to God, and found favor with God... yet had not the law.)
Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Galations 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
(Are these verse saying some are rightoues because of their inward law?)
Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Psalms 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
(Now is it possible that before the jewish law men had this law of God written on their hearts... well of course... look at Able, Job and others... some say that without the blodd atonement of Christ they are doomed, but who is to say the blood didin't cover the past sins of the righteous
Just me thoughts on the matter... what do you guys think?
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(4/8/02 8:39 pm) Reply
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
Scripture speaks real loud, that Jesus didnt come to save the righteous .....
and those before the law .. Romans 7:7 say it very clear ...
so those in the OT are under a different salvation method, those before the law is also under a different salvation method.
I see three types of salvation methods, before the law, after the law, and those under Christ.
the righteous man needs no savior ... and the bible declares that there are righteous men in the world ...
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
That is if they have not heard the word... and salvation of Christ. For if they hear the word... and reject it, it is a witness against them... and why it was sent to them... Now the questions is, the remember palistien girl.... 17 years old... been raised to throw rocks at Israel... to hate... told and taught from birth to blow these people up... did she hear the word and reject it... was the word kept from her by God... ? Because of her heart... or did she just never hear the world... and if she never heard the word... no fault of her own... does she burn in hell anyway?
Daaaaa King
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(4/8/02 10:01 pm) Reply
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
if she never heard the word, then God being righteous would not condeme her, imo
And a righteous man rejecting Christ once hearing the word would not reject it becasue he knows what righteousness is.
The righteous man would accept Ghandi gospels of peace
Jesus was a righteous man, and righteousness begets righteousness, and righteousness knows righteousness, and Jesus is Righteous ...
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
No I don't agree with that... and I don't agree with Ghandi being righteous, He was a learned man, and new the word, if not just by mind... and rejected Christ and that word, therefore that word came to condemn him I believe... remember the beast is going to come in as a peaceful man as well... And any followers of hinduism, the same, and muslims and buddist and all others that have heard the word... in past, present and future... the word came to either let them hear that they may repent and turn to Christ... or condemn them... imho...
1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1 Timothy 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1 Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
Daaaaa King
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(4/9/02 12:12 am) Reply
Re: Must man do anything to recieve remission of sins?
ok, well we have a issue, about accepting Christ.
Ghandi and many like him, are raised in their cultural beliefs, now Ghandi was a man for peace, a non violent man.
And was very faithful to his beliefs.
It is hard for ppl like that to throw out there culture and beleifs of their own country for another culture namely israel.
It is difficult to betray your countries heritage to only serve another country ... God has to look at the heart of that man.
So what im saying is this, we can not judge whether a man is saved or not if he doesnt accept jewish beleifs ...
Bible judges them yes, but i still stay strong that God makes exceptions, based on his judgements not, mine, and if his judgements happen to contridict the bible, then this is out of my league ??
** one final note on that, imo, God is going to contrict the Bible is some ways, God doesnt follow the bible, the bible follows him.
And it will be God word verse the bibles word.
But i wont go there .... becasue im a man, not knowing everything. YET !!
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