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(4/11/02 10:53 am) Reply
Re: Prophets.... Why is it that:
And regardless of anything you wrote back....
We must not negate the last scripture I quoted.
Kim
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"Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets."
(Luke 6:22 - 23)
MonkeeSage Registered User
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(4/11/02 11:27 am) Reply
Re: Prophets.... Why is it that:
We mustn't negate any Scripture, with that I agree, one-hundred percent.
The last Scripture you quoted (1 Cor. 12:28), however, does not have the meaning that has been loaded onto it when it is examined apart from doctrinal bias. In fact, from even a prima facie reading of the passage in English we see that Paul used the past tense verb "hath set" and not the present tense "sets" or present progressive "continues to set." The present(/p. progressive) tense is the sense being forced onto the word, and thus negating what is actually there.
My understanding from chapter 13, that prophecy (and tongues) has been made inoperative (and have ceased themself), doesn't negate Paul's words in the disputed passage; he speaks of an action that was true of the specific time in which he made the statement--God had set some to be prophets, etc. for the building up (establishment) of the Church; now (according to my understanding) God does not set those offices because their purpose (the establishment of the Church) is completed.
We must never negate Scripture, however, I am convinced--conscience persecuting--that we must, in love, negate faulty interpretations and proclaim the full counsel of God's Word, as it determines itself.
-J
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MonkeeSage Registered User
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(4/11/02 5:23 pm) Reply
Re: Prophets.... Why is it that:
Eph. 2:11-22 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. (KJV)
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The purpose of the office of prophet and apostle: laying the foundation of the household of God to be build on.
Do you keep pouring a foundation after the house is built?
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Eph. 3:1-12 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. (KJV)
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The great mystery, which is the full knowledge of God, and was previously hidden in God (concealed) in the OT, was being made known (revealed), fully, even as Paul spoke. Does God really need to keep on trying to get Himself across, or can He reveal Himself fully to man once for all?
Exo. 4:10-12 And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue. And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.
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