Charismatics, healings, tongues! What a bunch of... ?

I want to mention that this topic and document is written in 7th - 8th reading level according to the USA education standards. I do this so that all can easily understand. Especially for those who have a reading problem but still enjoy reading about our Lord and Saviour.

Are All Baptized In The Holy Spirit?

I have read many competent arguments on this site about the Holy Spirit and whom He baptizes in the Body of Christ.

I have a one goal in this post and that is to stay focus on one part of the many arguments that have been given in here about tongues and baptism and how they conjoin and correlate with one another.

It is my desire to add some insight to these posts that might ameliorate and alleviate the many enigmas concerning the doctrine of baptism. It is also my desire to take the approach with the single eye and not favor some type of doctrinal position from some other authority other than the Bible. It is my desire that I try to be as explicit as I can be with this subject matter.

I understand how the Pentecost�s deals with this teaching and how many others have dealt with such matters. My main point is in one targeted area and this is the "Spiritual Baptism" done by the Holy Spirit. I will try to remain focus in this area to the best of my abilities.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit as we know is a biblical piece of information.

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

AND:

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

These two verses shows us that the Holy Spirit does baptize but the question is how did baptism by the Holy Spirit take place and what by what disciplinary measures did the Holy Spirit follow?

The sequence of how one was baptized by the Holy Spirit for the Body of Christ in the first century differentiates from how we see many domestic teachings that leads to much confusion and obscurity.

First of all we see that the Apostles had to lay his hands on the disciples who were just baptized in the name of Jesus.

Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

I use this scripture to show that at first when the Holy Spirit was to baptize a new convert it was done only in the presence of an Apostle by the laying of hands.

Lets take another verse to point this matter out.

Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

We can see that these were believers but they never had experienced the Holy Spirits baptism. They were John's disciples and believers in Jesus. Being John's disciples we know that they would have learned from John about the Holy Spirit since John did preach about the Holy Spirit. But like Simon they never received the Holy Spirit Baptism and knew nothing about it.

We also know that they were believers since Paul asked have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?

During this dispensation the Holy Spirit did not baptize one into the Body of Christ by just any believer or by any preacher and any evangelist.

We can see this because John was not given the authorization to Baptize but by water.

In the next two verses we can see once again that the baptism in Jesus name (Father, Son & HS) was not enough until the apostles laid hands upon the newly converts. As in the above verses that I have posted it shows Paul baptizing them first and then laying of the hands upon the Disciples of Christ for their baptism.

Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

We can see then in this next verse that my point is backed up.

Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. The apostles had to be sent for in order for people to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Then in the next verse I will post we will see that the HS through Philips preaching saved Simon but Philip never was able part the HS to Simon.

This is why Simon wanted this power when He seen what Peter had done. Simon thought he could buy this HS and he realized he never had the baptism of the HS.

As we read in the next verse about Simon:
Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

Act 8:19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

We can see that the Holy Spirit baptism at first had to be through the Apostles by the laying of hands. We do know that Peter preached the gospel on the day of Pentecost and people were baptized in the HS. This was done by the ones in the upper room as well. We can see that it became different when the gospel was preached after the Great Pentecostal Day.

Later on a change took place and when Peter preached to the centurion he noticed that the Holy Spirit did not wait for him to lay hands on the centurion but the Holy Spirit baptized the centurion without the aid of Peters hands.

We can perceive here that God first started building upon the foundation that Jesus had built. God only built upon the foundation that Jesus had built by the builders of Christ and through His name only. This is where no man or nation or power of any kind could help or claim to build the church of God but by the Apostles.

This was done on purpose and showed that God built upon the foundation by His own Apostles and that no man can claim that he knows God and that they are just as much as being a part of God as the Christians are.

We can see that the Baptism changed by one just believing in Christ and not having to wait any longer for an Apostle. The reason for this God knew that the Apostles would die one day. He also states in Revelation that the NT church is built by the Apostles on the foundation of Christ.

We can observe in this next verse:

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This shocked them because Peter did not have to lay his hands upon anyone and while he yet spoke the Holy Ghost fell upon them.

We can comprehend that one must be baptized now in the body of Christ to be a child of Christ.

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This is talking about every child of God being spiritually baptized by the Holy Spirit. It cannot be argued that this is some other form of baptism. This is done by one Spirit and is not talking about water baptism. The reason is it is not water baptism that puts us into the Body of Christ.

It says we are all baptized into one body... Notice that there are not two bodies? One for the non-baptized Christians and one for the HS baptized Christians. We are all baptized and by this it is meant we are baptized upon the conversion of the believer.

The verse says we must be baptized into the body.... otherwise we cannot be in the body.

We can observe that there is no other example in the bible after Peter's experience with the Centurion to be baptized in any other way. The Centurion was a believer but he never received the HS but at this time the Centurion did receive the baptism of the HS and Peter did not lay hands upon him.

This was the beginning of a new era for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit who did not need the Apostles any more.

We can see that those who were with the Centurion also were baptized in the HS by hearing the word of God.

It was not by hearing Peters preaching that caused the baptism of the HS but it was the divine appointment by the HS who baptized them. It is done according to Gods own good will and pleasure. We also see that Jesus preached that the HS would go where He is listed to go in KJV John 3, when it concerns the works of His Spirit.

When we see that one received the HS we can see that they are automatically baptized. Baptism in the HS is a spiritual immersion. One cannot be in the /body of Christ without the baptism of the HS. It is by His Spirit that we are baptized into the body of Christ.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

We do not have any example that shows us in the bible that people did seek for the baptism of the Holy Spirit while others got it. We do not see where the Holy Spirit had people seek His baptism by prayer and by other means as they do in domestic religions. It is a fallacy that one must seek for a gift to have evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

We do not see where the Christians were told to seek such a thing. It has been injected that one must seek and search for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Yet the bible shows just the opposite. They believed and were immediately baptized by the Holy Spirit as shown above.

If gifts were the evidence of the Holy Spirits Baptism then those prophets in the OT could declare they had the HS baptism because the HS did speak through them as prophets.

It is the baptism of the HS that puts us into the Body of Christ. He literally immerses us with His Spirit as if one is baptized by water in the full immersion method.

This is similar to being baptized into Christ and putting on Christ as Paul explained. We are factually put into the Body of Christ by Baptism.

One thing I might enhance before I close, and this would be that we must realize that God had to start with the Apostles to part the Holy Spirit so that this would be a form of evidence that not just anyone can start this religion upon the foundation of Jesus Christ our Lord.

JaRay

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