Re: Demon's Got You (Rant 11/15)
The vase? The vase, in fact, does not exist at all. It is a temporal anomaly. Or, rather, it exists only for that short time between when you give it to the one person, and when his ancestor gives it back to you. It is timeless, ageless, and therefore nonexistent. *head hurts* Damn you all!
Re: Demon's Got You (Rant 11/15)
Ok, I've never played the game you're referring to, but I'll take a crack at it anyway. From what I gather, this item is a vase, given to you by a man in the future, who you then give to his ancestor, where it becomes a family hairloom passed down through the generations until you receive it again. Ok, if this is correct, then TDC is both right and wrong. This vase is caught in a self perpetuating time loop. but the problem with this is that there is a period in which the vase is not caught in travel, and exists in the real world, amongst time, so it therefore ages. I certainly hope this vase is indestructable, because otherwise, each time it travels back, it will age again, and the process will contiue to repeat itself until it is millenia old. By that time, the vase would be nothing but dust, so it would simply show up at the time you bring it to the past, and turn into it's present state, a pile of dust. And continue to travel in this fashion, so it would be there for a brief instant, the first time it is brought back, and then time would catch up with it, and it would become nothing. So TDC is right in that it doesn't exist, just not as a vase. Again, he's right in that it does exist as a vase only for the period that it taken into the past for the first time. But it does exist, just as what it would become after millions of years, that's really the only part he got wrong.
How much fun would the game be if you got the vase, and watched it turn into a pile of dust a split second later? Reality makes it so much more interesting...
Re: Demon's Got You (Rant 11/15)
I actually just thought of something coming off of my last comment. If you really wanted reality to interfere with that vase, during the time that it was 'passed down', any number of things could have happened to it, it might have gotten stolen, pawned off, or broken. All of this would require more time traveling to secure the vase back into the family so that it could be properly passed down, any number of multiple times that it gets stolen and such. You could make a whole game simply about fixing all the loopholes in the past to make sure this vase is there for you in the future. Might be easier just to keep the damn thing with you, ya think?
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Re: Demon's Got You (Rant 11/15)
But then what would happen when you get it? What stage would it be in? Thworetically it would be nothing... Because it would turn to dust and dissapear... So what's up there?
Re: Demon's Got You (Rant 11/15)
the answer to all this is quite simple. The game designers got it all wrong, and the vase cannot exist in such a paradox, because it was never created.
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Re: Demon's Got You (Rant 11/15)
...and perhaps the vase the elder gives you isn't the one you gave his ancestor... Sounds a little odd, but stick with me here. Perhaps somewhere along the line, they managed to lose the original vase. That descendant goes and gets a similar vase, for whatever reason. Perhaps one of the kids broke it and bought a new one before their parents could find out. All the same, it would be more than one vase then. And it wouldn't have to be the same vase each time. Lost my train of thought. Hopefully I got enough out there that you can follow it.
Re: Demon's Got You (Rant 11/15)
Sweetness with the new Zero X3 sprites, I still can't emulate that game though, so I'm just in awe of their spiffyness. (Yes, I said spiffy, I know it's out of character). Ok, so you're proposing that the vase did get sidetracked along the way, and was replaced with a similar vase. Now if the original vase had some kind of magic power or something else about it, well you can just go and throw all that out the window, because a very ordinary vase will not help you open a magical door, or whatever it is he needs the vase for. But if it's just a bunch of ordinary vases, all similar in looks, then one of two things could happen. The first is that two vases are traded back and forth throughout time, and this just leads to back to the real time rot, it would just take longer for two vases to turn to dust, but in the end, you'd just end up with a pile of dust twice the normal size in an instant, instead of one normal vase sized pile of dust. The next situation is that multiple vases are traded, in which a vase is lost, and replaced, that one is lost, and replaced by yet another one, and so on and so forth. If this were the case, you'd have two things. One: A very busy vase maker, and two: a whole bunch of similar looking vases lost to history to turn up in different places, each bearing different radiocarbon signatures, but all almost exactly alike. Now imagine the poor archaeologist trying to string together the mystery of so many vases. Ha! Maybe that why Mesopotamians invented the wheel, but the bike was invented in China. But ya, there's no way for this to exist, or happen. Any amount of real time passing between to connected points in time travel, will take it's toll in an instant. If it were an item that was CREATED in the future, and then brought to the past, there wouldn't be any conflict to it, except maybe it's origins, but that'd hurt my head to much, and I have to be up at nine, so that's all for now!
Whew, that was fun. Any other vases around?
- Drgn
Hmm... good point. Oh, btw, I've got a working rom of X3 if you want it. Just catch me online sometime. My screen names on MSN and AIM are TheDarkChristian.
Re: Demon's Got You (Rant 11/15)
Wow. Deep, philosophical, insightful and religious all in a few simple statements.
To be honest, I didn't quite expect something of this nature in your first post, Atma. Welcome. I figured you'd say something along the lines of "you'll never be as dark as me" like the last time I saw you post something on one of my sites. *chuckle*
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I figured you'd say something along the lines of "you'll never be as dark as me" like the last time I saw you post something on one of my sites. *chuckle*
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